This letter was sent to our local elected officials by student Nick Gomer. Nick grew up in Cape Charles and is currently in his final year at the University of Virginia pursuing a degree in Global Environments and Sustainability.
Senator Lewis and Representative Bloxom,
I write to you to encourage the swift creation and support of stringent environmental legislation in the upcoming general assembly. I am a graduate of Broadwater Academy and soon-to-be graduate of the University of Virginia with a degree in environmental sustainability. In my time as a student I have extensively studied climate change and the severe impacts of this problem ranging from mass species extinction to dramatic sea-level rise to widespread food and water shortages. I have also studied how many of these problems will disproportionately affect those who have done the least to create climate change, namely low-income people and people of color. Meanwhile, in my time as a resident of Cape Charles I have directly seen the effects of our environmental degradation occur as our town floods more and more often and as the barrier islands are increasingly washed away by each passing storm.
Mitigating climate change, however, is not a matter of individual responsibility. Rather, ensuring an environmentally-inhabitable future will be the result of sweeping reforms that must happen at a systematic level. Virginia’s impending entry to the Regional Greenhouse Gas Initiative will be taken as good news, yet still it will be a day late and a dollar short.
The Virginia legislature must act boldly to be a voice of regional environmental leadership to fill the total void of federal environmental leadership. Our commonwealth must listen to the outcry of its citizens and reject Dominion Energy’s proposal for an unnecessary pipeline to transport methane, a greenhouse gas far more potent than CO2. We must instead invest in the enormous potential of offshore wind in our state which would create both clean renewable energy and a workforce to build and manage that new infrastructure. We must invest in local and statewide public transit which would not only initiate dramatic reductions of fossil fuel emissions but also ensure a more equitable economy and society.
I ask for your service in creating and supporting progressive and necessary legislation such as this as a citizen and a constituent. But, I also ask for your service for this issue specifically because it is an existential threat to humanity, and I, as a young person who has done nothing to create this problem will be dealing with climate change’s growing effects for the rest of my life.
Ray Otton says
“an existential threat to humanity” – All due respect young fellow, Boomers have been hearing this in one form or another since before you were born. Acid rain, global cooling, global warming, super hurricanes, tornado bombs, ozone depletion and on and on.
Our problem with environmental activism stems from this type of comment – “swift creation and support of stringent environmental legislation”. Pardon me but that sounds pretty totalitarian in nature. A lot like the GND which advocates for banning meat, air travel, automobiles and just about all the other enjoyments in life.
I’m making an assumption here but you’re probably all for banning guns too. Which, if you could do so, would make your plans so much easier.
So, no.
PS – What did environmentalists read by before candles?
Light bulbs.
tokenny says
“Our problem with environmental activism stems from this type of comment – “swift creation and support of stringent environmental legislation”. Pardon me but that sounds pretty totalitarian in nature. ”
““an existential threat to humanity” – All due respect young fellow, Boomers have been hearing this in one form or another since before you were born. Acid rain, global cooling, global warming, super hurricanes, tornado bombs, ozone depletion and on and on.”
Just imagine if the Boomers actually did something about those things we wouldn’t have to be talking about stringent environmental legislation!
Yukon Cornelius says
I imagine a world devoid of liberals like you.
Paul Plante says
The carbon dioxide (CO2), which is the chief product of burning all fossil fuels, wood and cut vegetation, is added to the atmosphere.
The small proportion of CO2 in the air has increased from 260 to 280 parts per million in the mid-nineteenth century to about 350 ppm today.
The carbon dioxide in the atmosphere is the basic food of vegetation, which may be expected to grow more luxuriantly in a more carbon-rich environment.
If climates get warmer, it should benefit from that too.
The atmosphere’s carbon dioxide is expected to increase to about 600 ppm by the year 2100, which, if it occurs, must be expected to alter the balance of radiation passing through the atmosphere and is generally expected to warm the climate significantly – according to some forecasts to a temperature level that has not occurred for many millions of years.
Much research published in recent years has been directed at anticipating the increased crop yields that might be expected in a warmer world and the possibilities which might open up of growing warmth-demanding crops in new areas.
But against these advantages must be set the likely extended ranges of insect pests and diseases from warmer latitudes.
However, the match between past periods of increasing CO2 and climatic warming seems not to be as close as expected and widely claimed.
– “CLIMATE, HISTORY AND THE MODERN WORLD,” Second Edition by H.H. Lamb
Ray Otton says
If you measure actions vs FEELINGS Millenials have a ways to go to catch up with boomers in the area of environmental issues. A couple of recent surveys from the University of Michigan and UCLA found that:
(B)’s do more energy conservation in their homes. Only 15% of (B)’s haven’t purchased energy conserving home products vs 27% of (M)’s
(B)’s do more water conservation in their homes. Only 7% of (B)’s haven’t taken any water conservation steps vs 13% of (M)’s.
(B)’s make more effort to recycle, 66% to 53%.
(B)’s make more effort to separate their trash, 54% to 46%.
(B)’s make more effort to cut down on electrical usage, 68% to 51%.
(B)’s make more effort to help the environment, 95% to 70%.
In a more general sense, Boomers were the generation that EFFECTIVELY protested a whole host of environmental issues, rather than DIVISIVELY sending a mentally ill teenager across the ocean on a yacht to lecture us on how badly we’ve screwed up.
tokenny says
“Effectively protested …”, I think not. Because if they did all cars would be getting 50 miles to the gallon, more vehicles would be electric, dead zones would be less in the bay, I could go on. So the answer is still No. Boomers haven’t done anything, small incremental changes that soon were forgotten.
If you voted for Trump you surely can stand a little divisiveness from a teenager and if you feel some kind of guilt for blowing it all these year … I guess she might be more effective than all your protesting.
Paul Plante says
I am one of those people, Mr. Otton, but that is now really beside the point, because we have a young generation who believe thusly, to wit:
“For way too long, the politicians and the people in power have gotten away with not doing anything to fight the climate crisis, but we will make sure that they will not get away with it any longer.”
“We are striking because we have done our homework and they have not.”
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That, of course, was “Teen climate activist” Greta Thunberg as quoted in The Guardian on 1 March 2019, and there, older Americans like ourselves stand condemned, and any “science” that we relied on, like Arrhenius and Lamb, has been denounced by the “Greta Crowd,” with little Greta stating to us on 23 April 2019:
“You don’t listen to the science because you are only interested in solutions that will enable you to carry on like before.”
“Like now.”
“And those answers don’t exist any more.”
“Because you did not act in time.”
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The real reason ADULTS like myself don’t listen to the “science” of Greta Thunberg is because what she calls “science” is really a negation of all real science that does not support the premise of Greta and the faculty at the University of Virginia Global Development Studies program which is an undergraduate interdisciplinary program with a focus on social justice, sustainable economic development, public health, global interconnection, and public service that carbon dioxide is the only cause of the “global warming” they say is happening, because carbon dioxide is need as the BOOGEY-MAN, so that there is then a need for “social justice,” which is defined as justice in terms of the distribution of wealth, opportunities, and privileges within a society.
Social Justice as a concept arose in the early 19th century during the Industrial Revolution and subsequent civil revolutions throughout Europe, which aimed to create more egalitarian societies and remedy capitalistic exploitation of human labor, and now, we have it here, thanks to the premise that “climate change caused by anthropocentric carbon dioxide pollution is going to cause severe impacts ranging from mass species extinction to dramatic sea-level rise to widespread food and water shortages which will disproportionately affect those who have done the least to create climate change, namely low-income people and people of color.”
We’re guilty of being bad people, Mr. Otton – we had our chance to do something about acid rain, global cooling, global warming, super hurricanes, tornado bombs, ozone depletion and on and on, and all we did instead was to steal Greta Thunberg’s childhood from her like a pack of thugs.
Madam X says
Thanks, Nick! Keep the faith, Buddy.
Paul Plante says
While we older Americans, who are freely accused in here with stealing the childhoods of Greta Thunberg and our own tokenny, have been living our lives, being responsible and productive citizens, in my case as a licensed professional engineer further qualified as an associate level public health engineer, and raising our families, we find in here today, thanks to the Cape Charles Mirror shining a light on this important subject of interest to us all, that being the HYSTERIA now associated with the fact that the earth’s climate has never been stable, and is always in a state of change, sometimes rapidly and quite violently, that we are being confronted with what is a whole new paradigm perhaps best expressed in an article on CLIMATE JUSTICE put out by the United Nations, as follows:
The impacts of climate change will not be borne equally or fairly, between rich and poor, women and men, and older and younger generations.
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Now, that is a dictate from the United Nations that is not up for debate, and that is a critical point we older Americans must needs come to understand – whether or not there is objective evidence to support that dictate has become immaterial, nor does it gain us anything to point out that such has always been the case, all over the world and in all times, as we see from the following:
Consequently, there has been a growing focus on climate justice, which looks at the climate crisis through a human rights lens and on the belief that by working together we can create a better future for present and future generations.
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Now, to me, an older American citizen, that phrase about the “growing focus” on so-called “climate justice” looking at the “climate crisis” through a “human rights lens” is something we should all be paying attention to here in the United States of America because of the implications of that phrase in terms of making us legally libel if somebody in some other country doesn’t like their weather, and chooses to blame it on us for causing them to have a cloudy sky or a windy day.
Climate justice “insists on a shift from a discourse on greenhouse gases and melting ice caps into a civil rights movement with the people and communities most vulnerable to climate impacts at its heart,” said Mary Robinson who is no stranger in the world of politics and human rights.
“Now, thanks to the recent marches, strikes and protests by hundreds of thousands of schoolchildren, we have begun to understand the intergenerational injustice of climate change,” she said, stressing the importance of intergenerational partnerships where young people are seen as “means of implementation” and “creators of opportunities” and not just beneficiaries.
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The “intergenerational injustice of climate change?”
Given that the climate of the earth is always changing, for natural reasons known to science and those who dare to actually read the science, where “science” is meant to mean the intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of the structure and behaviour of the physical and natural world through observation and experiment, with the aim of science being to build true and accurate knowledge about how the world works, what exactly is the “intergenerational injustice of climate change?”
Who determines it?
How is it adjudicated?
For those answers, we need to go to trusty Wikipedia for a first blush look at the subject of climate justice, to wit:
Climate justice is a term used for framing global warming as an ethical and political issue, rather than one that is purely environmental or physical in nature.
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Given that the earth’s climate has never been stationary, or unchanging, and given that prior to these times, it has been both warmer and colder, how is “global warming,” which is a concept either an ethical or political issue, where “ethical” is taken to mean “relating to moral principles?”
How exactly are “moral principles” in any way connected with the fact that the earth we live on has an unstable climate that is always in a state of change?
Getting back to Wikipedia for some answers, we have:
This is done by relating the effects of climate change to concepts of justice, particularly environmental justice and social justice and by examining issues such as equality, human rights, collective rights, and the historical responsibilities for climate change.
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Historical responsibilities for climate change?
Why, that would have to be the earth itself, would it not?
So, are we going to hold the earth to account because the climate it offers us where we live isn’t what we want it to be?
And how exactly are we to do that?
Order the earth to be shackled and whipped the way Xerxes the Persian king had the Bosporus shackled and whipped when it actually dared to kick up some waves that wrecked his bridge of boats?
Getting back to Wikipedia:
A fundamental proposition of climate justice is that those who are least responsible for climate change suffer its gravest consequences.
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That should actually read that the proposition of climate justice being that those who are least responsible for climate change suffer its gravest consequences cannot in any way be challenged, and instead, regardless of a lack of supporting evidence, must be accepted at face value, which is a negation of science.
And here we come to the meat of the subject, which is OUR liability as a people and as a nation if other people in the world do not like the weather the earth is dealing them at any given moment in time, to wit:
The term climate justice is also used to mean actual legal action on climate change issues.
In 2017, a report of the United Nations Environment Programme identified 894 ongoing legal actions worldwide.
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Yes, indeed, people, a serious business, indeed, and we all owe the Cape Charles Mirror a debt of gratitude as citizens for hosting this series of discussions on the subject of the earth’s ever-changing climate.
And it is arrogant in the extreme for young people in this country to think that any politicians have it in their power to control the earth’s climate, and if in fact they did hold that power over us, how very dangerous they would in fact be!
Roger says
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cjcD9C3yO7U
Thank You Nick!
Paul Plante says
We older folks in here are like a bunch of Rip Van Winkles who went to sleep and slept through the end of the Holocene, to wake up finding ourselves instead firmly into the Anthropocene, where everything we once knew about science concerning the earth is no longer true, and according to District Judge Ann Aiken, nominated by Bill Clinton and confirmed by the United States Senate on January 28, 1998, receiving her commission on February 4, 1998, “a climate system capable of sustaining human life” is a fundamental right under the United States Constitution, so that if each of us now does not like the climate where we are, as long as we are children, we now have the right to sue the federal government for a new and far better climate which under our Constitution, the federal government has a duty to provide us.
If we are not children, then it is we older folks are the ones being sued, since the United States Constitution begins with We, the People.
For those unfamiliar with the case, which is still pending in federal court, Juliana, et al. v. United States of America, et al. is a climate justice-based lawsuit filed in 2015 that has been brought by 21 youth plaintiffs against the United States and several of its executive branch positions and officers, also formerly including former President Barack Obama and President Donald Trump.
The plaintiffs, represented by the non-profit organization Our Children’s Trust, include Xiuhtezcatl Martinez, the members of Martinez’s organization Earth Guardians, and on behalf of future generations represented by climatologist James Hansen.
The lawsuit asserts that the government violated the youths’ rights by encouraging and allowing activities that significantly harmed their right to life and liberty, and sought the government to adopt methods for reducing greenhouse gas emissions.
The Oregon non-profit organization, Our Children’s Trust, was created by attorney Julia Olson to help formulate legal cases that could be taken against states and the federal government that would charge them with mitigating climate change under the public trust doctrine.
Olson established the non-profit with advice and assistance from Mary Christina Wood, director of the Environmental and Natural Resources Law Program at the University of Oregon, who had been studying the concept of the public trust doctrine and established the idea of “Atmospheric Trust Litigation” to take legal action to make governments responsible for actions related to climate change.
That case was filed in August 2015 with the United States District Court for the District of Oregon, and was assigned to judge Ann Aiken, who was then the chief judge of the court.
The 21 youths, ranging from 8 to 19 at the time of filing, received pro bono representation from Our Children’s Trust, and had support of climatologist James Hansen, acting as a “guardian for future generations” in the case filings.
The youths were selected by Our Children’s Trust as they all were able to demonstrate immediate “concrete injury” due to climate change, such as having their homes wiped out by excessive flooding, rising sea levels, and desertification which were tied to climate change.
The case was filed against President Barack Obama and several agencies within the executive branch, and sought confirmation that their constitutional and public trust rights had been violated by the government’s actions, and sought an order to enjoin the defendants from continued violation of their rights and to develop a plan to mitigate carbon dioxide emissions.
Among their arguments, the youths’ attorneys asserted that the lack of governmental action on climate change discriminated against the youths’ generation, since they would be most impacted by climate change but have no voting rights to influence that.
So there we older folks who slept through the end of the Holocene only to wake up finding ourselves in the Anthropocene have it, and so it is no wonder, based on all of that, the “GRETA FEVER” is sweeping the nation as it is, now that having the climate where you live just the way you want it to be, 24/7/365, is a constitutional right, assuming you are under 18.
And if it were not for the continuing educational efforts of the Cape Charles Mirror with respect to this subject of our responsibility as adults to provide the children of America with a “GOOD ANTHROPOCENE,” which in turn requires a new politics with a new frame of world government in the form of universal social democracy based on the idea that the state should intervene in the economy to promote economic growth and technological progress, a goal of our Democrats and children that has been shared by a wide variety of economic theories and political ideologies to include European social democracies, third-world developmental states, and the East Asian “state developmentalist” models which are known as “state-led developmentalism,” so that we can achieve a “good Anthropocene,” which requires the globalization of modernity, liberal freedoms, material prosperity and the preservation of wild nature emphasizing gradual global improvements in life expectancy, gender equity and declining inter-state violence, we would remain totally ignorant of these important developments with respect to what our Constitution, formed during the Holocene, now means in the Anthropocene.
Paul Plante says
And I am not sure about anyone else in here, but where I am sitting up here in the cheap seats, with this open letter to Senator Lewis and Representative Bloxom, and by extension the Commonwealth of Virginia, its citizens, the County of Northampton in the Commonwealth of Virginia and the Town of Cape Charles in the County of Northampton in the Commonwealth of Virginia, I am seeing what very well could be the carefully-crafted and well-thought-out opening shot in what would be a real doozy of a federal civil rights lawsuit against the United States government, the Commonwealth of Virginia, the County of Northampton and the Town of Cape Charles for failing to take prudent and prompt and proper action to keep older people from burning though not only their rightful carbon allowance, but the carbon allowance of as-of-yet unborn children and Greta Thunberg and by extension those children citizens of the United States who reside in Cape Charles in Northampton County in the Commonwealth of Virginia, this based on this finding of federal district court judge Ann Aiken in Juliana v. U.S., as follows:
“Exercising my ‘reasoned judgment,’ I have no doubt that the right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society.”
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Based on that recent multiple car crash here in the Commonwealth caused by icy roads, for example, which alone is grounds for a federal civil rights lawsuit in the light of the above ruling of Judge Aiken in Juliana that the right of children to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society, given that as the crashes actually happened, which is how I and the rest of the candid world know they happened, making the national news as they did, and as the cause was ice which in a civilized climate should not have been allowed to be there in the first place, clearly a case can be made there alone that the Commonwealth of Virginia is failing in its clear duty to the children of the Commonwealth to provide them with a climate system capable of sustaining human life, said climate system being fundamental to a free and ordered society, which it clearly is not when you have a huge tangle of wrecked cars on a highway in the Commonwealth of Virginia that is the subject of national news coverage, the lousy climate the Commonwealth of Virginia was sticking its citizens with, because a lot of hoggish older folks, the Holocene generation, were chewing through the carbon budget of the Anthropocene generation without any thought to the fact that they were stealing the childhood of Greta Thunberg, and the children of the Commonwealth of Virginia, the County of Northampton and the Town of Cape Charles, by extension, and hey, maybe that is really what it takes to get this carbon pollution problem under some type of government control, before every last gigaton of carbon credits that were to be for the unborn children of the Commonwealth of Virginia get used up today by old people in Cape Charles who want to live large with no thoughts about the future of young people like Greta Thunberg, is a massive civil rights lawsuit against the Commonwealth and the County of Northampton and the Town of Cape Charles, especially, for allowing that to happen without putting curbs on older people to keep them within their carbon allotment, so there is some left for the children of the future.
If so, from my perspective as one who has sued unresponsive and uncaring government many times on what in reality are civil rights matters related to protection of public health, I would say that this certainly is a very good start to a protracted federal civil rights suit along the lines of Juliana v. U.S. now that Judge Aiken has made that ruling that she has no doubt that the right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life is fundamental to a free and ordered society – putting elected officials on public notice that something is now seriously wrong with the climate of the Commonwealth of Virginia that these elected officials are responsible for, and then giving them an opportunity to fix the problem, before any civil rights litigation commences.
In that sense, I have to say this is very well-done, very well-worded and quite professionally crafted, which must stand as a tribute to the University of Virginia degree program in Global Environments and Sustainability. which makes it quite to the point, so there can be no mistaking the fact that action by these elected officials is expected to be forthcoming!
And again, thanks to the good offices of the Cape Charles Mirror for making us all in America aware of this development, which may well end up in the United States Supreme Court some day as a test case, and hopefully, as this story progresses, the Mirror will continue to keep We, the American People who depend on the Mirror to keep us up to date on reality on further developments, specifically how Senator Lewis and Representative Bloxom respond.
Joseph Francis Corcoran says
I have a modest proposal . How about we all focus on one real problem that we could all agree exists and will eventually effect Norfolk and vicinity like no other place on earth : The Gulf Stream Current is slowing down and slowing down faster each year .
The Current runs south to north off our coast. When the tipping point or crunch point arrives our coastal sea level will rise and push through the mouth of the Bay . In turn , the Bay water rises .
A lot of study has gone into figuring out a plan and most of that effort has been by Europe because Europe stands to suffer greatly .
There is plenty of information available at Google , etc . Check it out.
Paul Plante says
Actually, and this according to NASA, regardless of what the ocean might do, or might not do, and it is speculated about what the Gulf Stream might be doing, not scientifically proven, Norfolk is subsiding, which to say, Norfolk is on its way to sinking beneath the waves whether the ocean rises or not.
Consider the Nov. 27, 2017 article “NASA Finds Virginia Metro Area Is Sinking Unevenly,” which article is from NASA Earth Research Findings based on a paper in Scientific Reports titled “Spaceborne Synthetic Aperture Radar Survey of Subsidence in Hampton Roads, Virginia (USA),” where we learn as follows about the reality of the situation, as opposed to the hysteria being peddled in just about every news outlet but the Cape Charles Mirror, to wit:
A new NASA-led study shows that land in the Hampton Roads, Virginia, metropolitan area is sinking at highly uneven rates, with a few trouble spots subsiding 7 to 10 times faster than the area average.
Whereas earlier estimates had suggested the area is subsiding evenly, the new study found that major differences in subsidence rates occur only a few miles apart.
Hampton Roads has one of the highest rates of relative sea level rise — the combined effects of sinking land and rising seas — along the U.S. East Coast, about an inch (23 millimeters) every five years.
It has experienced a steady and dramatic increase in high-tide flooding over the last 90 years.
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So, it is not like this is any kind of new or unforeseen problem, and we Americans who live on higher ground figure the people who live in Norfolk will adapt like the people in Venice and install duck boards so they can get around, and there will be a new job market opening up for gondoliers, especially if they are good singers.
Getting back to what NASA has to say about the issue:
Accurate, local subsidence maps are necessary for the area to prepare for increasing flood risks in the future.
The region comprises seven Virginia cities, including Norfolk and Virginia Beach, as well as Naval Station Norfolk, the country’s largest naval base.
The new study, published in the journal Scientific Reports, found that much-higher-than-average subsidence is occurring at Craney Island, a depository for material dredged from shipping channels, and at the Norfolk Naval Shipyard, where the subsidence was most likely related to local construction during the study period.
In other areas with similarly high subsidence rates, the causes of the sinking are not known.
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Could it be that the extra weight of all the carbon dioxide the United States of America has put into the earth’s atmosphere since 1751 is exerting extra pressure on that land to make it sink?
It’s a thought, anyway, something for the scientists to hopefully consider while there is still cause for hope.
As to what is known as the Gulf Stream, that is part of what is known as thermohaline circulation in the earth’s oceans.
The National Center for Atmospheric Research has an excellent and informative article on that very subject entitled “Ocean on the Move: Thermohaline Circulation – A trip through the ocean on the path of thermohaline circulation, also known as the great ocean conveyor,” as follows, so one can gain a perspective on the subject that is not whipped-up hysteria from the main-stream media, to wit:
The currents flowing through the ocean, a process called thermohaline circulation, can have an impact on climate.
What is thermohaline circulation?
Cold water, in general, is denser than warm water.
Likewise, water with a high salinity is denser than water that contains less salt.
Surface ocean currents are primarily driven by winds.
Deep ocean currents, on the other hand, are mainly a result of density differences.
The thermohaline circulation, often referred to as the ocean’s “conveyor belt”, links major surface and deep water currents in the Atlantic, Indian, Pacific, and Southern Oceans.
Multiple mechanisms conspire to increase the density of surface waters at high latitudes.
Cold winds blowing over the oceans chill the waters beneath them.
These winds also increase evaporation rates, further removing heat from the water.
These chilled waters have increased densities, and thus tend to sink.
Formation of sea ice also helps to increase the density of water near Earth’s poles.
As seawater freezes, salt is forced out of the ice in a process called “brine exclusion”.
The ice is essentially not salty.
The excluded salt increases the salinity of the cold water immediately below the ice, making it denser still.
The salty, cold water near the poles sinks toward the ocean floor.
Just as rivers on land flow downhill towards the sea, deep density-driven currents in the oceans move along submarine valleys towards the deepest parts of the ocean.
The cold, salty waters that drive the thermohaline circulation form in the Arctic Ocean, the North Atlantic, and the Southern Ocean.
The shallow ocean floor along the Bering Straight prevents deep currents from flowing out of the Arctic Ocean into the Pacific.
Dense water on the floor of the North Atlantic moves southward, eventually joining the sinking waters of Southern Ocean in the far South Atlantic.
Once again, a shallow section of the ocean floor blocks the flow from moving into the Pacific.
In this case the Drake Passage, between the Antarctic Peninsula and the southern tip of South America, prevents the current from flowing westward.
So the thermohaline circulation turns to the east.
Here the current splits; some flows northward along the east coast of Africa into the Indian Ocean, while the rest continues eastward along the southern coast of Australia and finally, veering northward, makes it into the vast Pacific basin.
At this point the two branches of the thermohaline circulation finally begin to mix with the lighter, warmer waters above and work their way back to the surface.
Scientists estimate that the trip from the North Atlantic to the deep water upwelling sites in the Pacific takes about 1,600 years.
To balance the flow of deep water into the Indian and Pacific basins, surface water must flow back out.
Warm surface waters from the Pacific flow through the Indonesian Archipelago into the Indian Ocean, where they join with other currents that have risen from the depths.
This combined flow works its way westward around the southern tip of Africa into the South Atlantic.
Next, the surface flow moves northward through the Atlantic.
Aided by a nudge from the warm Gulf Stream surface current, this water makes its way once again to the extreme North Atlantic, where the cycle begins again.
This global circulation pattern mixes the waters of the world’s oceans, turning the ocean reservoirs into a single, vast, interconnected system.
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Thus, we can see by taking a look at some facts versus the hysteria being peddled by the main-stream media that the reality of the Gulf Stream is more complex than those who claim the Gulf Stream can come to a complete halt, so water starts piling up on top of itself and then as a result flows into Chesapeake Bay to sink Norfolk beneath the waves forever, which incidentally, would not be the first time in history that the ocean has taken over a naval base.
Chas Cornwell says
I have just now run across this article by this articulate and well-informed young man. His parents should be proud. Now, having said that and having read most of the articles (again, of Paul’s I skimmed, as much is rehash of same old and really not relevant to the changing world conditions of climate effects) To Nick Gomer this word of advice. You truly cannot expect to educate those on the complexities of weather phenomenon when they cannot even understand something so straight-forward and simple as the Mueller Report or continual threat of the Military Industrial Complex and endless war. As they say…you are throwing pearl to swine.
That said, the legacy of our having done little to nothing to curb an exacerbating climate situation will fall on our children to deal with. Is weather change inevitable? Yes, it is. Is the Earth warming? Yes, of course it is. (has been for the past ten thousand years or so). Are certain areas susceptible to drought conditions, and eventual exposure to devastating wild fires? Yes, they are. Will areas such as New Orleans, Miami, Charleston, Norfolk, Baltimore, New York and Boston see increasing occurrences of flooding and erosion? Yes, they will. Will Tangier Island be in existence in a hundred years? Doubtful. It there anything that can be done to prevent any of these conditions? In the long game, no. But, to mitigate change to keep ahead of this warming phenomenon, small incremental steps can be taken. The reduction of fossil fuel consumption and expulsion for one. Worldwide. Legislation is an arm-twisting tactic (and unfortunately probably necessary at this point) to induce those that don’t know, don’t care or both to follow the laws and guidelines. Take seatbelt laws for instance. Everybody knows that wearing a seatbelt is smart, healthy and sometimes lifesaving. But before insurance companies introduced legislation and laws were passed, nearly half to three-quarters of drivers did not wear seatbelts. Hence, insurance companies getting involved. You see, it is about the bottom line.
Unfortunately, Nick, it is always about the bottom line. We boomers (yes, I am one) have been lied to for the past forty/fifty years about the extent of damage carbons produce in the atmosphere. Who lied to us? Exxon, Mobil Oil, British Petroleum and the government. Directly or indirectly, doesn’t matter – the waters have been muddied to the extent that no one knows or can agree in the general public what will happen in the next fifty years. But the damage has been done. And it is the voice of the youth that has wrested this looming catastrophe from the grip of the old monied guard.
The final thing I want to say is pretty much a meme now. And it goes like this…even if World Climate change is a hoax (which it isn’t – the climate is getting warmer worldwide and that’s a fact) even if it’s a hoax, what would be the harm in reducing toxins in our air, in our oceans, in our streams, in our reservoirs, in our drinking water and in the bodies of our children? What would be the harm to convert our energy consumptions to a greener and cleaner method of fuel sources? What would be the harm in regulating factories’ and manufacturers’ output of their pollutants? What would be the harm in safely relocating people away from areas that will continue to wither from drought conditions to areas more conducive to agricultural and productive means and less susceptible to wild fire. What would be the harm in shoring up our coast line cities and enacting coastal regulations to disallow building within a three to five-hundred-foot buffer up to the water’s edge? What harm indeed? The worst it would do would be to leave this place better for our children and a cleaner environment for all. But would be harmed? Of course, the bottom line would suffer. Profits for some would shrink. A major shift would be in play for many, many people. And it would cost money. It would mean unpopular legislation. It would mean change for a lot of people. And it would force Big Business to accept a major change in their business model. Probably the hardest sell of all.
Thanks Nick, for the well written letter to our representatives and I wish you all the best in your future endeavors.
Paul Plante says
Ah, dear friend and fellow American patriot Chas Cornweller, words cannot express the sheer joy I felt this morning when I sat down with my morning coffee, made by pouring boiling water from a kettle through coffee grounds in a paper filter in a cone above a regular plain old coffee pot for a negligible to zero carbon footprint compared to a latte, and opened up the morning edition of the Cape Charles Mirror to find this quite eloquent dissertation of yours above here on the crimes of your generation, Chas, when it comes to treatment of the environment, the ecology and the climate, and your sincere apology to young Nick and his generation for totally ******* up the world his generation is now stuck with, as follows:
“That said, the legacy of our having done little to nothing to curb an exacerbating climate situation will fall on our children to deal with.”
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One can feel the pain of your guilt there, Chas, truly so, and what a terrible burden it must be, to know that you are responsible for stealing the childhood of not only Greta Thunberg, but countless millions of children, some or many yet unborn, who are now in the same fix as is Nick, especially when you know that it was your support for Hussein Obama, who was impeached by a federal judge on November 16, 2016 for what I consider to be criminal negligence and high crimes and misdemeanors for which he should have been removed from office in a more perfect world.
So it is good for your immortal soul, Chas, that you are in here unburdening yourself to Nick.
And Chas, when it comes to a total lack of climate justice here in the United States of America, where since 1751, this nation has been spewing gobs of carbon dioxide into the earth’s atmosphere in complete and blatant disregard of Greta Thunberg, and Nick’s generation, and a real American people getting a real crappy climate, as a result, consider what these poor people had to go through, to wit:
Floods were a frequent occurrence along the Poesten Kill, as spring run-off annually flooded low-lying fields and the threat of ice dams was ever present.
Major flooding occurred along the Poesten Kill, or on the Hudson at the mouth of the kill, in 1852, 1857 (highest flood ever recorded at Albany, almost twenty-two feet), 1869, 1871, 1874 (when a portion of the Congress Street bridge fell in), 1890, 1891, 1913 (which did a great amount of damage along the Poesten Kill in Troy), 1914, 1918, 1922, 1927, 1936, 1938 (which damaged the mills on the lower Poesten Kill), 1948, 1949, 1955 and 1977.
About 2:00 a.m. on September 18, 1890, the dam at the outlet of Bonesteel Pond in East Poestenkill gave way “and water rushed down through the narrow valley, tearing up trees and carrying away everything standing in its course.”
According to the New York Times, six bridges were destroyed, along with three sawmills and the barns and shed of George Cottrell.
At the hamlet of Barberville, John Randall’s shoe shop was demolished but the water spread out along the flats there, saving the rest of the hamlet from destruction.
At the village of Poestenkill, the streets were flooded and Wheeler’s shoe shop was washed from its foundation.
In Troy, the water “rose alarmingly, but did not flood its banks, even though Bonesteel Pond was completely drained of its water.
John Randall rebuilt his shop at Barberville but less than a year later it was washed away again, this time in a much more destructive storm.
It began the day before when a heavy rain swelled both the Poesten and Wynants Kills.
Already the locals were worried, and the next day, when news of a large storm was received, “several men immediately mounted horses and proceeded to the farm houses on the banks of the creek and gave the alarm.”
By 7:00 p.m., the water had risen considerably and carried away several bridges and sluices, including the iron bridge near Hammond Herrington’s in East Poestenkill.
“Mr. Herrington’s large flats are completely submerged,” the New York Times reported the next day, “completely destroying a large crop of potatoes and almost ruining the flats.”
“A barn occupied by Porter Herrington, who lives in the house, was carried away.”
“The roads are all gullied or washed out so as to be almost impassable, especially on the hills.”
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And that story of flooding goes on and on up to this present day!
So believe me, Chas, when Nick talks about the streets of Cape Charles flooding that same way, we feel his pain, because that is the history I grew up with, Chas, which gives me a real healthy respect for the power of Mother Nature when she is in a rampage, which happens often enough if you ended up in a place with a real crappy climate compared to that of Monticello or Cape Charles like those poor people of Poestenkill did, all because since 1751, the United States of America spewed tons upon tons of carbon dioxide into the air to cause all of that flooding in Poestenkill to happen the way it did.
And Chas, I am glad you are feeling remorse here, it is good for your soul, but don’t take all the burden of guilt on your shoulders when it is Hussein Obama who is the truly guilty party, that according to a federal court judge who should know what she is talking about when she proclaims Hussein guilty of destroying the ecology with his wanton and wasteful policies that encouraged people to make more carbon dioxide instead of less, and your sin was merely supporting him, perhaps out of ignorance and blind faith and devotion.
Paul Plante says
And seriously, dear friend and fellow American patriot Chas Cornweller, speaking from the perspective of one of those swine before whom pearls have now been tossed, in the end, it was your generation that lied to itself.
And yes, Chas, Nick is indeed well-informed in ways we never were because the knowledge simply did not exist, such as our country is now in a period of carbon overshoot, with early consequences that are already threatening and that will, in the short term, rise to unbearable unless Cape Charles, Northampton County and the Commonwealth of Virginia take immediate action to have it be otherwise, which is what Nick’s letter starting this thread is all about, and yes, Chas, I do agree with you here that it is the voice of the youth that have to wrest this looming catastrophe from the grip of the old monied guard in places like Cape Charles, and the way to do that is through civil rights litigation charging Cape Charles with failing to protect Nick’s constitutional right to a climate system capable of sustaining human life, which climate system is fundamental to a free and ordered society, because, Chas, just as marriage is the “foundation of the family,” a stable climate system is quite literally the foundation “of society, without which there would be neither civilization nor progress.”
What we now know, Chas Cornweller, this thanks to a courageous federal judge in Oregon in 2016 who had the guts and grit to stand up to a tyrant like Hussein Obama and face him down, and this is monstrous in the extreme, is that while president, Hussein Obama violated the due process rights of children like Nick by directly causing atmospheric CO2 to rise to levels that dangerously interfere with a stable climate system required alike by our nation and people like Nick and Greta Thunberg. knowingly endangering their health and welfare by approving and promoting fossil fuel development, including exploration, extraction, production, transportation, importation, exportation, and combustion, and, after knowingly creating this dangerous situation for children like Nick, who is quite correct when he says above that he as a young person who has done nothing to create this problem will be dealing with climate change’s growing effects for the rest of his life. continued to knowingly enhance that danger by allowing fossil fuel production, consumption, and combustion at dangerous levels.
And by extension, Chas, the Commonwealth of Virginia also knowingly enhanced the danger by allowing fossil fuel consumption and combustion at dangerous levels, as did Northampton County, and especially Cape Charles, which has knowingly enhanced the danger to Nick specifically by allowing fossil fuel consumption and combustion at dangerous levels by encouraging all this big tour boats we see in the picture postcards rich folks who have the bucks to move to a garden spot like Cape Charles send to the folks back home with the slogan “WISH YOU WERE HERE” emblazoned on it to come to Cape Charles to pollute Nick’s air with gobs of carbon dioxide.
What is clearly needed is a civil rights lawsuit against Cape Charles asking the Court to order Cape Charles to cease their authorizing and subsidizing of fossil fuels and, instead, move to swiftly phase out C02 emissions, as well as take such other action necessary to ensure that atmospheric C02 is no more concentrated than 350 ppm by 2100, including to develop a local plan to restore Earth’s energy balance, and implement that local plan so as to stabilize the climate system.
Are you against that, Chas?
Afterall, Chas, think about this: over the 263 years between 1751 and 2014, the United States produced more than twenty-five percent of global CO2 emissions, and being a thriving sea port during that time, Cape Charles shares a lot of the responsibility for that, so isn’t it finally time they were held to account?
What say you, Chas Cornweller?
The candid world waits with bated breath for your answer.
Publius Americanus says
“Climate change is a hoax (which it isn’t – the climate is getting warmer worldwide and that’s a fact) even if it’s a hoax, what would be the harm in reducing toxins in our air, in our oceans, in our streams, in our reservoirs, in our drinking water and in the bodies of our children? What would be the harm to convert our energy consumptions to a greener and cleaner method of fuel sources? What would be the harm in regulating factories’ and manufacturers’ output of their pollutants? What would be the harm in safely relocating people away from areas that will continue to wither from drought conditions to areas more conducive to agricultural and productive means and less susceptible to wild fire. What would be the harm in shoring up our coast line cities and enacting coastal regulations to disallow building within a three to five-hundred-foot buffer up to the water’s edge? What harm indeed?”
Look up the economic term “Opportunity cost” and learn what it means. That’s your answer.
BTW, will you be forcing all these changes at the point of a (Government) gun? Cuz that’s how your gonna have to FORCEFULLY relocate %40 of the US population.
Paul Plante says
Chas says:
We boomers (yes, I am one) have been lied to for the past forty/fifty years about the extent of damage carbons produce in the atmosphere.
Who lied to us?
Exxon, Mobil Oil, British Petroleum and the government.
The World Meteorological Organization (“WMO”) responds:
A breakthrough came in 1997 when John Browne, chief executive of oil giant BP Amoco, declared that global warming really might come to pass, and industry should prepare to deal with it.
Paul Plante says
And as an example of just how absolutely looney, zany and stupidly insane this “climate change” dialogue has become, we need go no further than this following from the VOX article entitled “21 kids sued the government over climate change. A federal court dismissed the case. Plaintiffs in the Juliana v. US lawsuit alleged the government violated the rights of young people to a safe climate” by Umair Irfan on Jan. 17, 2020, to wit:
Climate litigation has also emerged as an issue in the 2020 campaign for president.
Many of the Democratic contenders have called for fossil fuel companies to be held liable for climate damages and for sowing disinformation.
Vermont Sen. Bernie Sanders has gone as far as to call for criminal prosecution of greenhouse gas emitters.
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Yo! Yo! You Go, Bernie!
And since you are a prodigious greenhouse gas emitter yourself, what with both copious amounts of carbon dioxide from yourself and your staff and your political campaign, coupled with all that methane you personally are a big emitter of, make a good example for the rest of us and bring yourself on criminal charges first, and get yourself prosecuted to the fullest degree of the law to show us just how serious you really are.
Everybody who strikes a match is a greenhouse gas emitter.
All those people with their lit Bic lighters at Bernie Sanders Revival Rallies swaying back and forth in ecstasy as Bernie croons to them in dulcet tones are greenhouse gas emitters, because ALL combustion emits greenhouse gasses, including you gas grill or charcoal grill to cook you Mahi-Mahi steaks on.
Dare to combust anything, and you’ll end up doing hard time in Bernie’s world where emitting greenhouse gases, including farts, is a criminal offense.
And what a truly stupid statement that is, people, from somebody who wants to get into the White House to get his socialistic/communistic hands on $16.3 TRILLION in taxpayer funds that he can then squander in the name of climate justice, a contrived term with whatever meaning of the moment grasping hack politicians like Bernie Sanders can give to it.
Paul Plante says
And Chas, dude, speaking of the horrendous harm that has been done to Nick and Greta and their generation, who have really gotten a damn poor deal with this run-away climate change that is going to destroy a good chunk of America, including Cape Charles, along with causing the dissolution of the nation itself, on purpose, we find as of 17 January 2020, the news is now out, all over town, and it is not good for Obama at all, nor is it good for his mindless devotees who let him get away with anything he wanted because he was “black,” and so, operated by a “different” set of standards from what the white folks were used to, and no Chas, we are not talking Republican talking points, or mindless raving by Trump; no, quite to the contrary, we are speaking of the pellucid insight into the workings of reality itself when it comes to Washington politics in the January 17, 2020 dissent in Juliana v USA of Josephine Laura Staton, a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Central District of California who obtained a Juris Doctor in 1986 from Harvard Law School, to wit:
In these proceedings, the government accepts as fact that the United States has reached a tipping point crying out for a concerted response — yet presses ahead toward calamity.
It is as if an asteroid were barreling toward Earth and the government decided to shut down our only defenses.
Seeking to quash this suit, the government bluntly insists that it has the absolute and unreviewable power to destroy the Nation.
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So, Chas, when the judge states that the “government bluntly insists that it has the absolute and unreviewable power to destroy the Nation,” she is referring directly to Hussein Obama, because he is the dude the lawsuit was levied against, the CHIEF PERPETRATOR, and it is his policies that have caused the world Nick is to inherit to be crumbling, and this accordinfg to a federal judge who is as good a Democrat as they come, not some Republican slug or hack whose writings on the subject of Obama you would dismiss out of hand as Republican talking-points, a favorite doge of yours, by the way, dismiss stuff as being Republican talking-points which makes it of no consequence, except this is a Democrat judge speaking, to wit:
According to plaintiffs’ evidence, our nation is crumbling — at our government’s own hand — into a wasteland.
In short, the government has directly facilitated an existential crisis to the country’s perpetuity.
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A wasteland, Chas – according to that judge, and she did go to Harvard, that is Obama’s true legacy to the people of America, including those not yet born America – a wasteland, so no wonder young people like Nick and Greta Thunberg feel real visceral anger, and my goodness, Chas, how could they not when Barack Hussein Obama destroyed the world before they even had a chance to live in it, and willfully so, as we see in this footnote, to wit:
My asteroid analogy would therefore be more accurate if I posited a scenario in which the government itself accelerated the asteroid towards the earth before shutting down our defenses.
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And that, my dear friend and fellow American patriot Chas Cornweller, is MONSTROUS!
Yes, monstrous, Chas – I can think of no other word for it!
Talk about high crimes against humanity and misdemeanors towards Nick and his generation who are going to have to pay the penalty, there it is in plain sight, and from the pen of a federal judge just five (5) days ago, which takes us back to that decision, as follows:
Plaintiffs bring suit to enforce the most basic structural principle embedded in our system of ordered liberty: that the Constitution does not condone the Nation’s willful destruction.
So viewed, plaintiffs’ claims adhere to a judicially administrable standard.
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Plainly stated, dear friend Chas, these aggrieved children whose lives have been turned upside down by the policies of Hussein Obama which are causing the nation to crumble brought suit against Hussein in an attempt to prevent the willful destruction of the nation that Obama was causing as we see by returning to that decision, to wit:
And considering plaintiffs seek no less than to forestall the Nation’s demise, even a partial and temporary reprieve would constitute meaningful redress.
As the majority recognizes, and the government does not contest, carbon dioxide (“CO2”) and other greenhouse gas (“GHG”) emissions created by burning fossil fuels are devastating the planet. Maj. Op. at 14–15.
According to one of plaintiffs’ experts, the inevitable result, absent immediate action, is “an inhospitable future . . . marked by rising seas, coastal city functionality loss, mass migrations, resource wars, food shortages, heat waves, mega-storms, soil depletion and desiccation, freshwater shortage, public health system collapse, and the extinction of increasing numbers of species.”
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And who we all have to thank for that horrible future, Chas, is Barack Hussein Obama, and all I can say is that I hope some young person like Nick with his education can bring Obama up on criminal charges for these crimes of his against humanity, to wit:
Even government scientists project that, given current warming trends, sea levels will rise two feet by 2050, nearly four feet by 2070, over eight feet by 2100, 18 feet by 2150, and over 31 feet by 2200.
To put that in perspective, a three-foot sea level rise will make two million American homes uninhabitable; a rise of approximately 20 feet will result in the total loss of Miami, New Orleans, and other coastal cities.
So, as described by plaintiffs’ experts, the injuries experienced by plaintiffs are the first small wave in an oncoming tsunami — now visible on the horizon of the not-so-distant future — that will destroy the United States as we currently know it.
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Many of us, Chas, warned over and over that Obama was a Marxist intent on bringing down our Republic so Obama could replace it with a socialist state, and there, we finally have a federal judge confirming what we rational people in this country have known all along, that Obama was intent on destroying the United States as we currently know it, while people like yourself cover up for him and by doing so, cheer him on, which takes us back to the decision as follows:
What sets this harm apart from all others is not just its magnitude, but its irreversibility.
The devastation might look and feel somewhat different if future generations could simply pick up the pieces and restore the Nation.
But plaintiffs’ experts speak of a certain level of global warming as “locking in” this catastrophic damage.
Put more starkly by plaintiffs’ expert, Dr. Harold R. Wanless, “(a)tmospheric warming will continue for some 30 years after we stop putting more greenhouse gasses into the atmosphere.”
“But that warmed atmosphere will continue warming the ocean for centuries, and the accumulating heat in the oceans will persist for millennia” (emphasis added).
Indeed, another of plaintiffs’ experts echoes, “(t)he fact that GHGs dissipate very slowly from the atmosphere . . . and that the costs of taking CO2 out of the atmosphere through non-biological carbon capture and storage are very high means that the consequences of GHG emissions should be viewed as effectively irreversible” (emphasis added).
In other words, “(g)iven the self-reinforcing nature of climate change,” the tipping point may well have arrived, and we may be rapidly approaching the point of no return.
Despite countless studies over the last half century warning of the catastrophic consequences of anthropogenic greenhouse gas emissions, many of which the government conducted, the government not only failed to act but also “affirmatively promote(d) fossil fuel use in a host of ways.” Maj. Op. at 15.
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Thanks, Obama, for destroying the world before Nick got his chance to enjoy it!
The candid world will certainly remember your name for what you have left the future generations of America which is a great big ******* mess.
And Chas, as the earlier judge pointed out, Obama is impeached and convicted by his own mouth in his 2015 SOTU, so yes, he is the guilty party here, and should be considered so and treated as so by Nick’s generation and all these younger children including my granddaughters who are the parties so callously harmed and deprived of their future by Democrat Barack Hussein Obama whose actions were so reprehensible even another Democrat wouldn’t give him political cover.
Paul Plante says
Indeed, the majority has already acknowledged as much in finding plaintiffs’ injuries traceable to the government’s misconduct because the traceability and redressability inquiries are largely coextensive. See Maj. Op. at 19–21; see also Wash. Envtl. Council v. Bellon, 732 F.3d 1131, 1146 (2013) (“The Supreme Court has clarified that the ‘fairly traceable’ and ‘redressability’ components for standing overlap and are ‘two facets of a single causation requirement.’ The two are distinct insofar as causality examines the connection between the alleged misconduct and injury, whereas redressability analyzes the connection between the alleged injury and requested judicial relief.”) (internal citation omitted).
Here, where the requested relief is simply to stop the ongoing misconduct, the inquiries are nearly identical. Cf. Allen v. Wright, 468 U.S. 737, 753 n.19 (1984) (“(I)t is important to keep the inquiries separate” where “the relief requested goes well beyond the violation of law alleged.”), abrogated on other grounds by Lexmark Int’l, Inc. v. Static Control Components, Inc., 572 U.S. 118 (2014); see also infra Part II.B.3.
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That, my dear friend and fellow American patriot Chas Cornweller, is stern judicial language from Hon. Josephine Laura Staton, a United States District Judge of the United States District Court for the Central District of California who obtained a Juris Doctor in 1986 from Harvard Law School, which stern language condemning Barack Hussein Obama is found in Footnote 8 at p.48 of the 17 January 2020 Decision of the United States Court Of Appeals For The Ninth Circuit in the matter of Juliana at al. v. United States et al., and it is condemnatory towards Obama because the misconduct which harmed those children, perhaps irreparably, along with Nick, is Obama’s misconduct, Chas, and no one else’s.
Given the language above that, “(S)eeking to quash this suit, the government bluntly insists that it has the absolute and unreviewable power to destroy the Nation,” which translates as Barack Hussein Obama bluntly insisting that it is he who has the absolute and unreviewable power to destroy the Nation, clearly his misconduct which has caused this harm to these children is criminal in nature, and now that Obama no longer has the immunity the office of president provided him with, for justice to be done here, what young Nick really needs to do, and thankfully, here he is blessed with all the multitude of resources available to him though the University of Virginia Global Environments + Sustainability program, is to get Obama indicted on criminal charges for this misconduct in office, because that is the message that now needs to be sent to those in power in the federal government who stayed silent while Obama as committing that misconduct that crime against children and humanity here in the United States of America will not be tolerated by We, the American People, and especially Nick’s generation, which generation can and should make a very powerful statement to the world by holding Barack Hussein Obama criminally liable for crimes against humanity, along with Hillary Rodham Clinton, who has probably done more to harm the world that is crumbling down around Nick and his generation with all of the prodigious amount of carbon dioxide poured in copious amounts into the earth’s upper atmosphere by Hillary Clinton, whose first 100 days as Hussein Obama’s secretary of state found her travelling over 70,000 miles (110,000 km), as an international celebrity with a much higher profile than most Secretaries of State, totaling 956,733 air miles during her time as Hussein Obama’s polluting secretary of state.
Get out your calculator, Chas Cornweller, and using a conservative figure that on average, a plane produces a little over 53 pounds of carbon dioxide (CO2) per mile, do some math and see the harm Hillary Clinton caused to children like Nick with that friviolous flitting around by Hillary, which works out to 50,706,849 pounds of carbon dioxide Hillary Clinton in personally responsible for polluting Nick’s world before he has had a chance to live in it, or 25,353.4245 tons, which is a goodly chunk stolen from the carbon budget that should have been there for Nick’s generation.
Accordingly, now that she no longer enjoys immunity, Hillary Clinton should be tried on criminal charges for crimes against humanity, if there is a message to be sent here of any value, as well as for justice to be done, because if Hillary Clinton, who is deemed to be above the law, can be held criminally liable by these children, the message will be that nobody is above the law, and only then, Chas, will change for Nick’s generation come.