In a leaked Zoom call, Joe Biden berates some African-American politicians, somehow saying that the country, as it becomes ‘less white European’, will be doomed. He seems to be worried that an influx of Hispanics poses a problem for Democratic hold on the ‘minority’ vote, which slipped under the Trump Presidency:
Anonymous says
Deceptively edited video. I am no biden supporter in the actual Zoom call, he says “if we cannot make significant progress on racial equity, this country is doomed”
You should either include this context or delete this article.
Publius Americanus says
This article has been “fortified” for easier digestion for UI viewers and readers in order to make it more palatable, as you all have indicated is your preference.
W. Mouch,
Chief Revisionist.
Ugh says
That’s a good thing.
Ray Otton says
Still, edited or not, “racial equity” and “racial equality” are two different things.
Equity involves trying to understand and give people what they need to enjoy full, healthy lives.
Equality, in contrast, aims to ensure that everyone gets the same things in order to enjoy full, healthy lives.
Basically the same difference between Liberal and Conservatives.
Liberals desire equal end points, Conservatives desire equal start points.
Which is actually closer to the ideal?
Uniform outcomes, though people have wildly different abilities, or a level playing field start point that allows people to flourish as their talents allow?
Sorin Varzaru says
>Liberals desire equal end points, Conservatives desire equal start points.
You keep calling me a liberal, and by comparison with you, I guess I am. I don’t desire equal end points. I know a lot of real liberals, and none of them seem to want that either.
But I am intrigued by the 2nd part. Let’s take an example, say a kid from wealthy parents (able to hire tutors if needed) from a wealthy suburb going to school funded by property taxes (so, very well funded) compared to a kid from the “hood” going to school in his local school. Please tell me how does the conservative approach offer an “equal starting point”? How about the way you propose we implement these “equal starting points” from a health perspective for these kids. As in, access to good doctors, food, role models, etc?
Ray Otton says
Alright, what’s with the words in the mouth” thing again? I wasn’t addressing you.
Tell you what though, search the internet with the phrase “Conservative approach to educating poor kids” and prepare to be amazed.
In fact, this is probably one area we might not be that far apart because it seems we BOTH think the education system isn’t working the way it needs to.
I will add that changing the education system is going to take compromise and we know from recent history, that’s not on the table.
PS – For another day, try a search for “Conservative approach to healthcare”, Some good stuff there.
Check a few more phrases beginning with “Conservative approach to….”, read some proposals that pop up and we’ll get you around to the point where you don’t think we’re disgusting.
Sorin Varzaru says
I know you did not address to me. But you keep saying “liberals” this and that, and while not exactly a liberal, I feel like they are misrepresented and someone should speak for them here 🙂
You are deflecting Ray. You stated ” Conservatives desire equal start points.” I gave you a concrete example of a very common situation and asked how conservatives suggest we implement this “equal start points” you speak of. And you are sending me to the WWW in search of the “Conservative approach to educating poor kids”.
Ray Otton says
Not deflecting, it’s just that our education problems are a huge topic with many facets and I didn’t think this was the correct venue to continue.
Honestly, I got tired just thinking about tackling charter schools, teacher unions, standardized testing, the Department of Education and the rest.
Would still be worth your while to take me up on my suggested search topics if for no other reason than to see that Conservatives are not evil.
Eh, who knows? Maybe at some point we meet and try to find common ground. THEN we can get into the weeds on some of these issues plaguing the world and the CCM.
We could start with “you know who” and work our way around to world hunger.
World hunger being easier to solve.:-)
Sorin Varzaru says
“Would still be worth your while to take me up on my suggested search topics if for no other reason than to see that Conservatives are not evil.”
I never thought conservatives are evil. I think some of their positions are misguided or … flat out wrong 🙂 but we have very good friends that are conservatives and wonderful people.
“Honestly, I got tired just thinking about tackling charter schools, teacher unions, standardized testing, the Department of Education and the rest.”
On charter schools, this explains my opinion and lists the reasons why :
https://gadflyonthewallblog.com/2019/12/09/charter-schools-exploit-children-of-color/
On teachers unions I think they are part of the problem in education.
On standardized testing. Well, it’s complicated. There are obvious advantages and disadvantages. It provides a metric, helps point out areas of improvement, help evaluate progress but there is pressure to teach the test, don’t provide a complete picture, etc.
My personal opinion? Raise the standards for teachers, pay them a lot more and fire the bad ones. I think that alone would improve education tremendously. I learned computer programming WITHOUT A COMPUTER. An inspiring teacher is worth more then anything else.
“Eh, who knows? Maybe at some point we meet and try to find common ground. THEN we can get into the weeds on some of these issues plaguing the world and the CCM.”
Beer or whiskey would probably help with the world problem solving process 🙂
Ray Otton says
“https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States”
Oh no, Wikipedia! heh.
In actuality, white supremacists are a blip on the scope compared to BLM and Antifa but you can’t know that relying on Wikipedia. According to Wikipedia, BLM is simply a civil right group and Antifa is just an idea.
Well, BLM and Antifa caused at least 30 deaths and $1.5 billion in damages last summer alone in “mostly peaceful” protests. Which fits perfectly with Antifa’s goals for they are an anarcho-Marxist umbrella organization that encourages violence aimed at destroying America from the inside to rebuild it as a utopian Marxist community.
The record is out there if you CHOOSE to look for it.
What’s really at play here is another Leftist tactic, which is to demonize anyone who disagrees with them.
I mean, we’ve seen and heard countless mainstream media pundits and (D) politicians refer to all 75 million Trump supporters
with the white supremacist pejorative………… ……………which is fucking ridiculous on the face of it but it does rile up the useful idiots.
Some examples of Far Left extremism from the latest news.
1 – Two men were arrested at a Loudin County school board meeting for reciting the Pledge of Allegiance after school board officials declared it to be divisive.
2 – One Mr. Bolanos of NYC, attended the Trump speech on 1/6. He did nothing wrong. He didn’t breach the U.S. Capitol, never went inside. He left early, went back to his hotel, where he has time stamped photos to prove it and later went to the Capitol building, where he stood outside with friends…………after it was all over.
His Leftist neighbors, shocked that he went to see Trump and “had those views,” called the FBI 1/6 tip line to report him.
He was raided in February by the FBI anti-terrorism task force, handcuffed and detained for three hours while his apartment was ransacked and all his devices confiscated.
Four months later he doesn’t have his personal property back and has been told to expect formal charges from the FBI.
3 – And in maybe the most extreme of the Far Left extremes, Mr. Biden* threatened American citizens with nuclear weapons in a speech about gun violence.- ” “Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government. If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.”
This is the guy the Founding Father wrote the 2nd amendment for.
You know, Joseph Goebbels said it best. “If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it.”
Jews were maligned as being the cause of strife for the German people. It is not so much the evil nature of the Nazi’s actions that should concern us but the willingness of the German people to “buy in” to the lie.
Today, to their everlasting shame, many Liberals have “bought the lie” about Trump supporters.
Don’t be one of them.
Sorin Varzaru says
“In actuality, white supremacists are a blip on the scope compared to BLM and Antifa but you can’t know that relying on Wikipedia. ”
That article has actual events and deaths/injury caused by right wing people. Do you contest the veracity of those listings ? Do you have a listing of events with victims caused by BLM and Antifa since 2000? To compare it with the numbers I provided for the right wingers.
“According to Wikipedia, BLM is simply a civil right group and Antifa is just an idea.”
No, not really. This the Antifa article. Seems pretty fair, it acknowledges that some are violent. : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifa_(United_States)
“Well, BLM and Antifa caused at least 30 deaths and $1.5 billion in damages last summer alone in “mostly peaceful” protests. Which fits perfectly with Antifa’s goals for they are an anarcho-Marxist umbrella organization that encourages violence aimed at destroying America from the inside to rebuild it as a utopian Marxist community”
Let’s assume for a minute that your numbers are correct. Those numbers are far lower then the numbers I provided.
“The record is out there if you CHOOSE to look for it”
No Ray, you are deflecting again. I provided you with a link to verifiably uncontested numbers from right wing violence. If you know where the “record” is, point it out.
“What’s really at play here is another Leftist tactic, which is to demonize anyone who disagrees with them.”
You are doing the same Ray. You are demonizing the entire population that leans left. It’s black and white for you, one is either voting for trump or is a marxist and/or an idiot.
“I mean, we’ve seen and heard countless mainstream media pundits and (D) politicians refer to all 75 million Trump supporters with the white supremacist pejorative………… ……………which is fucking ridiculous on the face of it but it does rile up the useful idiots.”
“riling up the useful idiots” is a technique used by both sides, you for sure know that. As far as Trump supporters, of course a very large portion are decent people (though very misguided). But I bet ALL white supremacists ARE trump supporters. Would you bet against that? 🙂
“1 – Two men were arrested at a Loudin County school board meeting for reciting the Pledge of Allegiance after school board officials declared it to be divisive.
2 – One Mr. Bolanos of NYC, attended the Trump speech on 1/6. He did nothing wrong. He didn’t breach the U.S. Capitol, never went inside. He left early, went back to his hotel, where he has time stamped photos to pr ….Four months later he doesn’t have his personal property back and has been told to expect formal charges from the FBI.
3 – And in maybe the most extreme of the Far Left extremes, Mr. Biden* threatened American citizens with nuclear weapons in a speech about gun violence.- ” “Those who say the blood of Patriots, you know, and all the stuff about how we’re gonna have to move against the government. If you think you need to have weapons to take on the government, you need F-15s and maybe some nuclear weapons.”
That’s the worst signs of the impending Marxist doom you could find? I think we’re going to be fine 🙂
“This is the guy the Founding Father wrote the 2nd amendment for.”
It’s a very big stretch Ray, and I must assume you know it. Trying to paint Biden as a extreme leftist or a wanna be dictator is simply ridiculous. By comparison, considering who Trump showed appreciation for, he definitely is a dictator wanna be : https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/02/politics/donald-trump-dictators-kim-jong-un-vladimir-putin/index.html
“Today, to their everlasting shame, many Liberals have “bought the lie” about Trump supporters. Don’t be one of them.”
What is the lie you are referring to?
Publius Americanus says
Sorin, In NJ both schools are funded thru taxes collected locally. What’s your point?
Is that one house takes education seriously, and one says getting educated is acting……….a specific color, somehow the fault of others?
IF the people of one area vote, and the result of that vote is an economic wasteland of ‘social justice’ and the taxes collected are unequal to those collected from the other area, how is that someone else’s problem, not from the former area?
2 kids, 2 houses. BOTH sets of parents take education seriously. What’s the odds of BOTH kids succeeding?
Damn good.
Just like it ain’t the car its the driver, it ain’t the school it’s the family.
Ray Otton says
YOU may not think we’re evil, although when you got frustrated back a couple of posts ago you did default to the “disgusting” thing and yet, to your credit, you apologized.
However, the old saying holds true in most cases. – “Conservatives think Liberals are stupid, Liberal think Conservatives are evil.”
And we do have A LOT of recent evidence that the saying is true. Physical attacks on Conservatives are a constant reminder that the Left will use violence in the political arena. History also confirms this.
“My personal opinion? Raise the standards for teachers, pay them a lot more and fire the bad ones. I think that alone would improve education tremendously.”
See, I knew it! 🙂
“Beer or whiskey would probably help with the world problem solving process” 🙂
Yeah, bourbon might work for world hunger but we’re gonna need some Class One narcotics for “the other problem”.
BTW, according to “the other problem” we’re now a couple, so congrats!!!!!!!
Sorin Varzaru says
“YOU may not think we’re evil, although when you got frustrated back a couple of posts ago you did default to the “disgusting” thing and yet, to your credit, you apologized.”
I’m romanian, we inherit the hot temper from italians…
“And we do have A LOT of recent evidence that the saying is true. Physical attacks on Conservatives are a constant reminder that the Left will use violence in the political arena. History also confirms this.”
So does the right Ray, : “https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-wing_terrorism#United_States”. Quoting from that page : “According to a 2017 Government Accountability Office report, 73% of violent extremist incidents that resulted in deaths since September 12, 2001 were caused by right-wing extremist groups, while radical Islamist extremists were responsible for 27%. The total number of deaths caused by each group was about the same, though 41% of the deaths attributable to radical Islamists occurred in a single event — the 2016 Orlando nightclub shooting in which 49 were killed by a lone gunman. No deaths were attributed to left-wing groups.[87][88]”
“Yeah, bourbon might work for world hunger but we’re gonna need some Class One narcotics for “the other problem”
Oh, no, we can’t do that. Aren’t you in the “law and order” party? 🙂
“BTW, according to “the other problem” we’re now a couple, so congrats!!!!!!!”
I think my girlfriend might have an objection to that one …
Sorin Varzaru says
Ray claimed conservatives support “equal starting points”. The approach of funding schools with locally collected taxes only perpetuates the gap in education and success. As long as schools from poor areas are terribly unfunded and the schools in rich areas are well funded, the “equal starting point” is nowhere to be found.
Paul Plante says
He is deflecting, Sorin, and he is distorting, and simply making things up as he goes.
He is a very sick man who somehow thinks or believes that he is in charge of what can be said in here, and by whom.
Scroll down through his horse**** below until you come to this:
BTW, according to “the other problem” we’re now a couple, so congrats!!!!!!!
The “other problem?”
Sounds very much like a NAZI, doesn’t he?
So Raymond “ROTTON” Otton now gets to mark out people he doesn’t like for annihilation, as if he were Joe Stalin reincarnated?
Some real sick **** that is, alright.
And go back to your own words about me being the one who brought you two together in a your little mutual hatred group.
Are you a Nazi too, then?
Paul Plante says
And the reason Raymond calls me his other problem is because I am not afraid of Raymond, who I believe is a coward, at heart, and I am not afraid to expose his patent BULL**** about his hero Trump winning the election for the rank BULL**** that it really is.
That drives Raymond berserko, that somebody would dare to stand up to him and tell him he is full of ****.
So now he is unleashing all the poison and vitriol he is full of, spitting gouts of pure venom all through these various threads in here.
So how come, Sorin, you think you have to be in any way “civil” to Raymond, when Raymond himself is civil to no one else?
Ray Otton says
“That drives Raymond berserko, that somebody would dare to stand up to him and tell him he is full of ****.”
So now he is unleashing all the poison and vitriol he is full of, spitting gouts of pure venom all through these various threads in here.
So how come, Sorin, you think you have to be in any way “civil” to Raymond, when Raymond himself is civil to no one else?”
Self-awareness is a foreign concept to you, isn’t it?
FWIW, keep raging, man, you make me look good.
Sorin Varzaru says
“he “other problem?”
Sounds very much like a NAZI, doesn’t he?
So Raymond “ROTTON” Otton now gets to mark out people he doesn’t like for annihilation, as if he were Joe Stalin reincarnated?”
This a good example of why some people think you are a lunatic. Somehow you went from someone saying “the other problem” to … “mark out people he doesn’t like for annihilation”. WTF?
Paul Plante says
Some people?
Do tell, Sorin.
As in you and Raymond, or is it Ramone today?
Whatever, Sorin, how very arrogant you are thinking or believing what you or Ramone, or Raymond as the case may be, has any effect, impact, or bearing on me.
TWO MILLION people come here each day.
Out of the TWO MILLION, you and Raymond, or Ramone think I’m a “lunatic.”
Cool with me, Sorin, because what you think doesn’t make it so, and you can only speak for you.
So I’m not going to bother wasting any more of my time in what has become an on-line fern bar for submissive, callow, younger men looking to bond with a domineering assertive older man, much like the Spartans did, and nobody ever called them queer, in debating with someone who condemns me as a lunatic, which is only something a lunatic would do.
So you and Ramone, or is it Raymond, have won, Sorin.
You now own the field.
Which should make you and Ramone, er, Raymond, quite gleeful I would think.
CLICK!
DEAD AIR
(sounds of static hiss)
Ray Otton(The witch killer) says
“CLICK!
DEAD AIR
(sounds of static hiss)”
Ding Dong! The Witch is dead.
Which old Witch?
The Wicked Witch!
Ding Dong! The Wicked Witch is dead.
:end quotes.
Paul Plante says
The witch killer?
Get real, Ramone!
How about the biggest ******* A-HOLE in America, who is now the center of attraction at Ramone’s On-Line Fern Bar with intimate seatings for two where assertive older domineering Conservative men can hook up with submissive, uncertain callow, liberal younger men in the classic Spartan manner, which is not at all gay or queer, since Conservative domineering men are manly men with nothing at all homosexual about them, to talk about the sensitive side of being a domineering Conservative and how hard it is being a domineering Conservative in the face of all the attacks on them by people who fail to understand just how vulnerable being a domineering Conservative really is.
And Ramone, you have managed to make this site so ******* stupid that I no longer wish to waster any more time here being chased around by a SICK PSYCHO like yourself who drools and gibbers.
YOU ARE NOW THE STAR HERE, Ramone, or are you Raymond today?
The show is all about you!
And just thing, Ramone, you have an audience of 2 MILLION people a day!
Keep them entertained, Ramone.
In the meantime, I have my own web site that I own where stupid ******* moronic idiots like yourself cannot get in, because I hold the door key and your kind are not allowed entrance.
And if you want to call that discrimination against moronic ******* idiots, be my guest, because it works for me!
Sayonara, Ramone!
Tootle-ooo.
And let me say that you and Sorin truly make a beautiful couple in the Spartan style, which is not gay in your particular case, and how proud I am that it was me who brought the two of you together to make you the loving couple you now are.
Ray Otton(Amateur psyhciatrist) says
“The witch killer?
Get real, Ramone!………yakity, yak, yak, yak…..”
Dude, you need to get together with those other voices in your head ‘cuz one of ’em said you were done here.
Maybe a weekly meeting with a Powerpoint presentation about who is persecuting you at that particular moment.
Hey, don’t get mad, I’m just trying to help.
Paul Plante says
And speaking of a raving maniac, people, with a multitude of voices of his different personalities swirling around in his head where his brain is squirming like a toad, one minute him being a “witch killer,” and another an “amateur psychiatrist,” and another minute, or maybe a bit longer for that personality manifestation, a poncey boy named Ramone, Raymond has nine different e-mail addresses, one for each of his different personalities.
So when you hear him talking about somebody who needs to get together with those other voices in his head ‘cuz one of ’em said he was done with me here, while needing a weekly meeting with a Powerpoint presentation about who in his head is persecuting whomever else in his head at that particular moment, the DUDE is talking about himself.
And from the standpoint of an ethologist, this is a fascinating study subject indeed – the mating habits of the domineering, older, assertive American Conservative male, which seems to be one of his more dominant personalities, although the poncey Ramone might now be gaining the ascendency since Sorin came into his life as a “love interest,” non-gay, of course, on the make for a callow, younger, uncertain, submissive younger male to dominate as his “paramour” or “protege” in the classic Spartan style.
Many new Ph.D.’s will be earned as a result of this study, since finding someone with nine separate personalities operating openly and in the clear on the internet is very rare indeed, with the norm being merely two in the case of the so-called “split personality.”
Paul Plante says
And I’ve got you being born in 1951, Ramone, which means to me that you are just a wet-behind-the-ears pup compared to me, and I don’t take advice of any kind, and especially on how to live, from children.
So give me one good reason, amateur psychiatrist and “witch killer” that you are, as to why I should allow an ignorant A-HOLE like yourself to drive me out of here.
Ray Otton says
“Do they know what an idiot you are making out of yourself in here?”
Now I don’t even have to come up with my own words.
Yours will do fine.
Question though. Have the voices reached a consensus on when or if you might be leaving the forum?
The rest of us in here are thinking sooner, rather than later.
Paul Plante says
The rest of us?
Oh, really, Raymond, or Ramone or whichever personality you happen to be at this moment.
So you are considering yourself a “group” now, because you have multiple personalities and you count each of them as a separate person, even though they are all manifestations of yourself?
That’s unique, but from a scientific standpoint, especially that of an ethologist, quite interesting, and revealing, precisely because people with multiple personalities claiming to be a group, instead of one person with multiple identities like yourself come along once in a blue moon, which makes this a rare opportunity for further serious scientific study, which in turn takes us to your question, to wit:
Question though.
Have the voices reached a consensus on when or if you might be leaving the forum?
The rest of us in here are thinking sooner, rather than later.
end quotes
And I’m thinking right now that you are going to be disappointed, because while it is absolutely none of your business, I am finding that I am not finished in here, at all.
For example, the Luria thread, where there is a need to go back in time to the First Taiwan Strait Crisis (also the Formosa Crisis, the 1954–1955 Taiwan Strait Crisis, the Offshore Islands Crisis, the Quemoy-Matsu Crisis, and the 1955 Taiwan Strait Crisis), which was a brief armed conflict between the Communist People’s Republic of China (PRC) and the Nationalist Republic of China (ROC) in Taiwan, which conflict focused on several groups of islands in the Taiwan Strait that were held by the ROC but were located only a few miles from mainland China.
Being older than you, Ramone, or would you rather be Raymond today, don’t matter to me, either way, I remember that quite well, and I’m betting congresswoman Luria with all her Jingoistic blather about China never heard of it, so I am going to be here a bit longer bringing in that necessary background to this Luria Drama, especially what is known to history as the 27 June 1950 Truman statement, littered with falsehoods, as it was, to wit
The attack upon Korea makes it plain beyond all doubt that communism has passed beyond the use of subversion to conquer independent nations and will now use armed invasion and war.
It has defied the orders of the Security Council of the United Nations issued to preserve international peace and security.
In these circumstances the occupation of Formosa by Communist forces would be a direct threat to the security of the Pacific area and to United States forces performing their lawful and necessary functions in that area.
Accordingly, I have ordered the 7th Fleet to prevent any attack on Formosa.
As a corollary of this action, I am calling upon the Chinese Government on Formosa to cease all air and sea operations against the mainland.
The 7th Fleet will see that this is done.
The determination of the future status of Formosa must await the restoration of security in the Pacific, a peace settlement with Japan, or consideration by the United Nations.
END QUOTES
So sorry, all of you who comprise Raymond, but as I say, this in none of your business.
And if you can’t take me staying, hey, don’t let the door smack you on your *** on your way out.
Ray Otton says
Ok Wayne, I’ve now been subject to two doxing incidents from the maniac. I didn’t say anything yesterday about the doxing but it’s now clear there’s a serious problem on YOUR horizon.
Is it illegal?
The answer is usually no, if the information exposed lies within the public domain and it was obtained using legal methods.
However, depending on jurisdiction, doxing may fall foul of laws designed to fight stalking, harassment and threats. (This is exactly what Paul has done to me with his two posts.)
It also depends on the specific information revealed. For example, disclosing someone’s real name is not as serious as revealing their home address or telephone number.(Again, Paul has stepped into some serious legal complications here.)
Regardless of the law, doxing violates many websites’ terms of service and, therefore, may result in a ban.
This is because doxing is usually seen as unethical and is mostly carried out with malicious intent to intimidate, blackmail, and control others.
Exposing them to potential harassment, identity theft, humiliation, job loss and rejection from family and friends.
I’m all for a free exchange of ideas, even with a maniac but stalking and doxing are out of bounds.
?
Ray Otton says
“And if you can’t take me staying, hey, don’t let the door smack you on your *** on your way out.”
Well at least one of your voices told us a couple days ago that you were out of here. I guess I assumed you were all on the same page but it seems there’s some dissension in the ranks.
Must be wild in there.
Thing is, if you stay you need to cut out the doxing BS or you’re going to be putting Wayne and the CCM in jeopardy.
Then where will you spew your vitriol?
Paul Plante says
Since I now know that it will drive you right out of what little mind you have left to you, PSYCHO MANIAC, I, who has only one voice in my head to have to worry about, not having multiple personalities like you do, have decided to stay, simply to drive you over the edge, ******* MORON!
And scroll down to the trending threads section below here and you will notice this one in the column as TWO MILLION viewers all flock to see the spectacle you are making out of yourself, so they can appreciate the kinds of mental defectives who were the core of Donald Trump’s political support.
How long do you think it will take me to drive you over the edge by continuing posting, Ramone?
Not long is what I am thinking.
Ray Otton says
“How long do you think it will take me to drive you over the edge by continuing posting, Ramone?”
The question now is, how long before your doxing and stalking actions get the owner of this website in hot water?
Ray Otton says
“so I will just say good-bye once more”
How can I say goodbye if you won’t leave?
Ray Otton says
“What is the lie you are referring to?’
Well, the lie that Biden* is a moderate would be a great place to start. Go look up his record, NOT on Wikipedia, please.
Then we could move on to the lie that Trump said Nazis are fine people.
Or the lie the Trump said to drink bleach.
Or the lie that Trump was a Russian agent.
Or the lie that 75 million Trump supporters are racists.
Or the lie that Trump’s Ukrainian phone call was enough to remove him from office.
Or the lie that Conservatives have as many violence prone people in their midst as Liberal do.
Or the lie that Biden* got 81 million people to vote for him WITHOUT him leaving his basement.
Or the lie that BLM isn’t a Marxist organization, though IT’S RIGHT THERE ON THEIR HOME PAGE.
Or the lie that Antifa is just an idea…….which burned down cities and assaulted law abiding citizens for no other reason that they have different political views.
Or the lie that America is systemically racist.
Or the lie that guns are a problem, not the criminals who wield them.
Or the lie that an AR-15 is a weapon of war.
Or the lie that questioning the poor governance of black politicians in our deteriorating cities is racist.
Or the lie that the New Green deal was about the environment when the purveyors of this bullshit now admit it was about social engineering.
Or the lie that men can have babies.
Or the lie that Jesus was a refugee so we should let everyone come here by just walking in.
Or the lie that El Paso is the new Ellis island. The latter was built for LEGAL entry to the US, the former is the site of ILLEGAL entry.
Or the lie that the electoral college is a relic of slavery.
Or the lie that the filibuster should be canceled. (This year ‘cuz (D)’s can’t get their agenda through, though last year they used it 300 plus times)
Or the lie that Kavanaugh was a sexual predator.
Or the lie that Amy Coney Bryant is a partisan hack.
Or the lie that blacks are owed reparations from whites, most of whom came here after the war.
Or the lie that Voter ID laws are meant to suppress POC votes, even though POC are in favor of them.
Or the lie that college debt should be canceled, paid for by the blue collar workers who chose NOT to attend.
Or the lie that abortion is a Constitutional right.
Or the lie that 1/6 was an insurrection. One in which only one firearm was discharged and one rioter was killed….by a still unnamed officer.
Or the lie that Republicans are racists while every bit of evidence exposes Democrats for their racist past and present.
Or the lie that Democrats desire bi-partisanship…. after bringing articles of impeachment against 5 of the last 6 Republican presidents.
Or the lie that Democrats desire bi-partisanship….. after pushing through Obamacare without a single Republican vote.
Or the lie that a nationwide $15 minimum wage is fair, whether you live in LA or Bumfuck, OK.
Or the lie that it’s perfectly normal to have 53 associates die of suicide.
Or the lie that socialism is just a word, not the most harmful political ideology ever to grace the face of the planet.
I could go on…and…on…but really just about everything you hold dear is a lie.
Well, except for the maniac, THAT you got right and I suppose that makes up for a lot.
Paul Plante says
Raymond, you are such an idiot!
DOXING?
I’m on serious legal grounds?
BULL****, Raymond.
You’re a head case who needs treatment in a secure mental facility.
You have a lengthy record record on the internet which is there for all the world to see, free of charge, no special memberships required, and all they heed do is ask google, Raymond Otton, Cape Charles, Va.
Here’s the link for your lawyer to cheek out, and I have already told you that you have o be the world’s biggest A-HOLE, coming on a site like this and bragging to 2 million people a day about carrying a gun whenever you leave your house, which has God alone knows how many actual maniacs out there now tracking you, because, Raymond, criminals do not buy guns, they take them from stupid people like you who brag of “carrying concealed,” which means the same as unarmed when somebody is slapping the **** out of you to take your concealed weapon, or sticking the barrel of a snubnose in the small of your back for the same reason:
https://nuwber.com/person/563a334f05a684fe71569f9a
Carrying concealed means not broadcasting to the public that you are armed, but can’t get ready access to your weapon because it is concealed, which is to say, ******* useless.
If you weren’t an ignorant A-HOLE, Raymond, you would know that, but for you, the pleasure is in intimidating those you call liberal by letting them know when sitting next to them in a restaurant that you have a gun in your pants pocket.
Stupid, stupid Raymond!
So come sue me, Raymond, and don’t try to put the blame on Wayne, because you are the one who invited the scrutiny that any maniac out there really interested in you can find in about two minutes, which is far longer than it took me.
And go to realtor. com for some photos of your house, which are public record to the realtors and Google Earth.
If you weren’t such a loudmouth ******* A-HOLE, you would know these things and act with a lot more civility, and a lot less venom, but you are an ignorant A-Hole, so you get treated like one.
And speaking of DOXING, what is it you think you and your protege Sorin are doing when you call me out in here as a lunatic and maniac?
Aren’t you encouraging acts of violence against myself, and what am I saying, of course you are.
But it is okay when you do it, because you are a group of multiple personalities known collectively as Raymond Otton, and none of you can do any wrong.
I’d ask you to think about it, but you can’t think, so I will just say good-bye once more, and Raymond, I can’t stand your guts from hundreds of miles away already, so no, I’ll forego the experience of having you tell me to my face to go **** myself
Paul Plante says
And while we are on that subject of deconstructing and unpacking the voluminous stream of pure BULL**** we have been witnessing in here from “our other problem,” about Trump winning the election, his moron of a lawyer Rudolpho “Horse****” Giuliani has been suspended from practicing law in New York over false statements about Trump election loss.
Todd Holden says
The Democrats are charging ahead in their attempt to force us into a civil war. They’re attempting to provoke patriots to the point where they can declare war on those of us that are unwilling to go along with their Marxist agenda to enslave the American people and erase our God given rights as codified in the “Bill of Rights”.
Biden’s threat to all of us that if we wish to go against the government we’d better have F-15’s and nukes is an open invitation for all God fearing Americans to now ignore everything coming out of his administration and prepare to defend ourselves, our families, and our nation from this madman.
Our Republic is under attack from within. I pray it doesn’t devolve into open warfare in the streets.
Stuart Bell says
Trump Won!!!
Fauci Lied!!!!!!!!
Stuart Bell says
Ray, please stop feeding the troll. If you put his brain on the edge of a razor blade, it would look like a bowling ball rolling down a 4 lane, interstate highway. Unless you enjoy it, that is.
He is to be pitied or felt sorry for. I used to take up for him since he is a Vet, but I would not urinate on him if he were on fire and my bladder was full, today.
Paul Plante says
Didn’t you used to take up for me since I am a Vet!
What you did, you ******* idiot, was to set up ALL VETERANS to be labeled as serial killers by tokenny, who published a long list of veterans who were murderers and serial killers to make the point TO STUPID ******* YOU that being veteran in here didn’t mean ****!
With your mouth running while the brain was disengaged, you made veterans look stupid.
Well done, Stuart Bell.
Now, run along and play.
Crackers says
Kamala did not have to visit Our Border– she already knows —
the plan is working as intended.
How many understand that we are in a race?
The Global Leftists who run the puppet Biden Administration
are racing to fill the nation as quickly as possible with
millions of new “Dreamers” who they will then say can
never be deported — just because.
They are trying to create a new reality as quickly as
they can, so that the destruction of the power of your
citizenship — and your children’s — cannot be repaired.
— This is happening now, as we sit and watch.
They fully intend to use mass immigration as a weapon
to overwhelm existing citizens — from every background.
They laugh at you when you ask the question.
And they are bold enough now to expect everyone to sit
down or get out of their way — and shut up while they
accomplish their goal. —