The Harbor for the Arts Summer Concert Series in the Park may be coming to an end. While many saw the series a success, it also created a level of tension between town staff and the Citizens for Central Park(CCP), who help sponsor the concerts.
Despite the Summer of Love, there were several problems this summer. Part of the problem, and it’s an old problem, is that the CCP tends to assume more authority over the park than they actually possess. Most are appreciative of the work, especially the plaques and trees dedicated to Melvin Dudley, however, it is still a public place, and the final authority rests with the town.
On July 6 when the Heritage Festival agreed to shorten their event to allow for the early set up of the English Channel cover band scheduled that night. The CCP concert people wanted them gone from the Park a full hour earlier than the Festival people had reserved. Town staff told the Mirror, “The Park is public for a reason, it’s meant to be shared. The British Invasion cover band left the gazebo a mess with discarded food and water bottles, and worse left a Windsor guitar and a keyboard behind. In the gazebo. All night long. And no one was aware we emailed CCP the following morning. That band was either so disdainful and/ or impaired that they left their payday at the venue.”
CCP concert people did the same thing to the Gospel Tabernacle Community Day on July 27. The concert parking cones were put out by CCP concert people early that morning and forced the Tabernacle people to park further away. The Tabernacle group are mostly older individuals, so being forced to park so far away was very inconvenient, especially having to set up tables and chairs in 90-degree day heat. The Tabernacle group was having a community day, without alcohol sales.
Alcohol abuse in the park is a problem for the town.
The CCP mission is not to be in the alcohol sales business, yet they seem to be obsessed with selling a lot of tequila. According to their own emails, at the July 6 kick off the CCP alcohol sales amounted to 17 – 18 gallons. This occurred on town property. Town staff told the Mirror, “That much alcohol consumption on town property is a problem and represents a problem. Period. The Park isn’t zoned commercial, nor is it a bar.”
The town told the CCP concert people that their alcohol use on town property had to be reviewed and subject to more scrutiny.
Given this scrutiny, the CCP concert people apparently are going to pick up their ball and go home–however, these tensions with the town have been building for some time.
While taxpayer money is budgeted for the concerts, the CCP feel they are entitled to more to pay for band concerts that raise money to donate back to the Park. But, the town government through the budget already spends money to upkeep and improve Central Park ($40k). Not sure about the gripe–the CCP receive more money than other groups, such as the museum, GEAR and the Rosenwald School initiative. Fundamentally, CCP’s mission is not to promote a “Harbor for the Arts” concert program anyway.
Opinion: By the numbers: Fiscal year 2020 budget approved for July 1, 2019 to June 30, 2020. Under the Recreation Department budget line 100-4710-3005 Program and event performers and entertainers – $7,200 in text note – CCP concerts. Under the Town Manager budget line 100-4121-4050 Grant expenditure Eastern Shore Tourism Commission – $5,000 66.7% increase over fiscal year 2019. The town is generous supporting arts, culture, and tourism. The commitment of tax dollars show that. If the CCP concert people have a different opinion it is just that, an opinion. If they do not want to sponsor music in the Park that is their choice. Many other community-minded organizations could benefit from the re-directed $7,200.
The treatment of the Tabernacle folks was obnoxious, but it also kind of highlights what the Town of Cape Charles has become.
Town staff lamented to the Mirror, “Both of those event days show the frankly bad neighbor attitude all too common by all too many this past summer. CCP concerts aren’t funded by taxpayers’-money to be disrespectful toward anyone else enjoying the Park.”
Joseph garvey says
Those concerts are great. We had a wonderful time at each one. It would be a shame to let them go. Not sure who the pooper is but as they say, every party has one. I would volunteer to clean up after every one at no charge.
Viola Mears says
You must not take ‘them’ as serious as ‘they’ take themselves.
Ken Leland says
The usual for Cape Charles everything blown out of proportion. Politics as usual, making a mountain out of an ant hill.
Jene Radcliffe-Shipman says
For me, concerts in the park have always been a place where community gathers. I look around and see neighbors greeting one another, a wonderful refuge from the streets lined with strangers during the high holiday season. This summer was especially challenging for Cape Charles as golf carts driven by 9 year olds whipped down sidewalks and challenged even the most tolerant. It is unfortunate that bands behaved badly, but is it possible to work on solutions and enhance this unique experience as opposed to canceling it?
David N Metheny says
What are the names of the town staff that provided you with the delightful social commentary about the citizens/tax donkeys of Cape Charles?
https://www.dhrm.virginia.gov/virginia-freedom-of-information-act
The Virginia Freedom of Information Act (FOIA), located § 2.2-3700 et. seq. of the Code of Virginia, guarantees citizens of the Commonwealth and representatives of the media access to public records held by public bodies, public officials, and public employees.
A public record is any writing or recording — regardless of whether it is a paper record, an electronic file, an audio or video recording, or any other format — that is prepared or owned by, or in the possession of a public body or its officers, employees or agents in the transaction of public business. All public records are presumed to be open, and may only be withheld if a specific, statutory exemption applies.
The policy of FOIA states that the purpose of FOIA is to promote an increased awareness by all persons of governmental activities. In furthering this policy, FOIA requires that the law be interpreted liberally, in favor of access, and that any exemption allowing public records to be withheld must be interpreted narrowly.
Note: The Cape Charles Mirror is not bound by FOIA, we are not the government. If you want to know, call them and ask, I’m sure they will be happy to tell you. The Mirror will not; we, as policy do not always release names to protect the innocent. This is the Eastern Shore you know.
Lawrence DiRe says
Mr. Metheny,
Thanks for asking. That would be me. That’s a also one of the photos I took of the gazebo after the July 6 opening concert. The condition of the gazebo early the following morning was nothing short of embarrassing. That’s also my firsthand account of the disrespectful treatment of the Gospel Tabernacle group. Keep in mind the Gospel Tabernacle was holding a “community day.”
Not sure what you mean by “tax donkeys”but the general fund, so not tourism-related funds, contributed the total of $7,200 was budgeted for band concerts in the current fiscal year. Empirically that more than many other community groups this fiscal year. Since everyone contributes funds toward the concerts and the park upkeep, no other group or individual wishing to use the park should be disadvantaged. And yes, the consumption of that much alcohol on public property is a problem, and creates a public liability. Period.
All these concerns were made clear to Mr. Mayer and Mr. Prickett by me. If CCP doesn’t want to present a concert series, which is not that organization’s mission, that is CCP’s choice.
Hope this helps. Happy to discuss further.
David N Metheny says
As Town Manager, if there were violations of codes or laws you should have done something. Period.
Lawrence DiRe says
The ABC officer was informed, and will be more active in the future.
David N Metheny says
Note: I put the FOIA info to let people know that if they want to understand what the governement really thinks about them they can dig fairly deep into the core communications of government.
As to the Mirror’s policy of selective release of names when it suits your agenda; you are a chickenshit.
You know, the truth has not been served very well here on the Eastern Shore.
Note: If you’re going to call someone chickenshit, you should do it to their face. You seem like a real brave guy though. We don’t release names to protect them from people like you. As far as the truth, tough guy, I am more than willing to turn the Mirror over to YOU. You can take it over tomorrow, I’m sure a tough guy like you will do a much better job. Let me know.
Lawrence DiRe says
Emails dated July 7, 2019 and sent at 6:34 am; 8:52 am.
David N Metheny says
What’s the password?
Note: I’m working up the contract right now. Leave your phone number and I will text it to you. You will be taking over the hosting account (how the internet works), not just the copy.
Nancy Daniel Vest says
If you have lived in Cape Charles for a while….then you might remember when “Central Park” was a vacant space surrounded by a rusted chain link fence. A group of citizens had a vision for that bleak and dismal space. They formed a group called “Citizens for Central Park.” They held events such as the “Renovator’s Ball” to raise money. They applied for grants, they sold T-Shirts, and yes, they sold margaritas with permission from the Town and license from the ABC Board. They spent countless hours cleaning up the empty space, trimming trees and bushes, painting the rusted swing set, and building the pergola. They obtained donations for trees and other plantings and they advocated for the beautiful park you see today. In recent years the money raised selling margaritas has helped to purchase new playground equipment for children, helped finance the building of restrooms, and also provided a large portion of the money needed for the concert program held in the park. All of these things were done as a gift for the people of Cape Charles.
To read of “Town Staff” speaking about Citizens for Central Park in such a manner is difficult. If “Town Staff” has a problem with anyone, it is my opinion that they should discuss it privately with those involved. It seems to me that “Town Staff” should be grateful for the efforts made by Citizens for Central Park to help enrich the lives of the citizens of Cape Charles.
Personally, I believe that Citizens for Central Park and the Town workers do a wonderful job for all. The concerts bring people to the park and help build a spirit of community. In my opinion, it was such spirit that built the Park….and that makes Cape Charles such a special place. Towns are more than infrastructure, budgets, and programs. Towns are people, families, neighbors, and community. To me, bringing people together is a valuable asset. I hope that Town leaders will continue to support the efforts of Citizens for Central Park with both gratitude and funding.
Jane McKinley says
I couldn’t have said it better, Nancy! The July 6 LOVEFest was an amazingly successful event, and it’s understood that, for an event of that scope, a few hiccups will occur. The band leaving behind those items should be seen as a problem for them, not a liability of the town. And these isolated incidents shouldn’t be used as an excuse to cease offering these wonderful summer concerts.
Lawrence DiRe says
Ms. Vest,
Thank you for your email comments. Thank you, and the rest of the caring individuals who have made this town a better place to live over the town’s long history. And while that history and record of past achievement and cooperation is admirable, fact is the current Cape Charles is facing issues and problems not seen in recent years. I have had and continue to have great concerns about the safety and security around, not only Central Park, but other town facilities in general. While all of the improvements to the Park are well-know, less well-know is another recent history of Central Park. The late night loitering and vandalism have been all too common in the past few years. Until recently, it was not unusual to smell marijuana being smoked. Of course the abduction and rape at gunpoint of the young lady in the Central Park bathroom in 2015, in daytime, is a stain and shame on our organization that one of our most vulnerable people was victimized on town property. Those of us with public safety and public trust obligations in this town have to remain vigilant. We also have to be cognizant of a town as it is, not as we wish it to be.
This summer has been challenging, in part due to the large number of people coming to town. Myself, the police chief, his officers, and of course our elected officials, dealt with bar fights, bars over serving patrons, bars serving underage people (including the temporary revocation of an establishment’s ABC license). Elsewhere there was an individual exposing himself to women at the beach, people having sex in a car parked on Bay Avenue in mid-morning, a masher harassing a young lady working alone in one of the downtown shops. Social services had an on-going intervention with the family of an individual with violent tendencies. The Secret Service was in town to investigate credible threats levied by a resident against a national political figure. All since May 1. In June we had a less-than credible, but still worrying, threat against the own office staff in the wake of the May 31st Virginia Beach mass shooting. Add to this the ubiquitous child golf cart drivers, and drunken golf cart drivers. And when the police intervened and issued warnings and citations, a not uncommon response was the statement that these individuals cited would not return to town and spend money.
No, Central Park is not a bar, and was not intended to be one. Alcohol sales and consumption at that location, for whatever the proposed good purpose, are a bad idea and an unfortunate outcome waiting to happen. And I will recommend a policy review of such use on town property in the future. This statement from a group email dated 10:37 pm on July 6, 2019 is disturbing. “ I don’t think two people have taken money and served Margaritas faster at any other event than what Linda and I were doing at this evening’s English Channel concert.” Is the goal to serve people alcohol faster than ever? If so, that is a goal needing reconsideration. I make no apology for saying that. I make no apology for finding that statement disturbing at its core. A hospitality professional will observe behavior carefully to determine if this is someone who should be served at all. The alcohol sales and consumption on town property are a problem. They are off-mission for the Citizens for Central Park organization. Yet the organization seems to express no interest in de-coupling them from the worthwhile effort to provide nights out in the park where people can peacefully enjoy music and the company of their neighbors. And I don’t understand why that is the case. And I’m not going to make an excuse for it.
Regards,
Lawrence DiRe, M.P.A
Town Manager
Town of Cape Charles
Nancy Vest says
Mr. DiRe,
I sincerely appreciate your thoughtful and prompt reply. You have done an outstanding job as our Town Manager and I am sorry to hear you are leaving. I know you will excel in your future endeavors. Cape Charles will miss you.
I agree that it has been a difficult summer. While I understand that many people make their living from tourism, the influx of people has impacted the quality of life for those who live in town, at least for me. I was unaware of all the difficulties throughout our Town from the increased number of visitors. I hope that our leaders can find a way to balance the needs of residents with those of the business community.
The July weekend of the English Channel concert was particularly challenging. As I recall, this was the “Summer of Love” kick off. The concert was a joint venture between Citizens for Central Park and the Main Street program. A large number of tourists were in Town as it was the end of the July 4 holiday week. Perhaps this had something to do with the problems in the park that evening? I do not believe that it is the goal of Citizens for Central Park to “serve people alcohol faster than ever?” I believe the group was just surprised at the attendance and demand. Were there problems after other concerts also?
As I understand it, Citizens for Central Park uses the proceeds from alcohol sales to help pay for the Summer Concert Series. If they are denied the ability to do this then they probably cannot afford to continue to offer this to the citizens of the Town. Can the Town’s recreation budget take on these events??
Regards,
Nancy Vest
Jen Pattan says
100% agree. The community and the social bonding that occur are infinitely valuable in a world today where so many social connections have turned to online forms. Music, people, the beauty of the park, and the general convivial spirit are some of the best elements Cape Charles has to offer. It is what makes Cape Charles a gem and is clearly a value proposition that differentiates it from other towns and beaches on the eastern shore of Delaware, Maryland, and Virginia. Please consider ways to keep the concerts and look for solutions or compromises. Leave the politics in Washington and let’s work collaboratively to achieve a working solution.
Hank Mayer says
The Harbor for the Arts Summer Concert program had its most successful program this past summer, with nearly 5,000 people attending its 10 free concerts in the Park. Citizens for Central Park raised over $10,000 toward the $18,000 cost of this program. In addition, it raised $7,200 from the sale of Margaritas and passing the jug around the concert audiences to collect individual donations. Those proceeds, in combination with the $9,500 it is raising through private memorial donations, will pay 100% of the $16,700 cost of planting 22 new trees and adding 10 picnic tables and 6 Park benches which are going into the Park later this month.
We’re not perfect, but we’ve spent 18 years and tens of thousands of volunteer hours trying to make Cape Charles a more enjoyable place to live and visit.
Bill Prickett says
As Vice Chair of Citizens For Central Park and a principal organizer of the summer concerts in the park, I am compelled to respond. Over the past two decades, Citizens For Central Park has well established its bona fides as a beneficial community organization.
With regard to the scheduling for the July 6th events in the Park, Citizens For Central Park submitted Facility Request forms in July 2018 for the 2019 summer concerts with start times of 3PM to allow time for performers to load in and set up equipment and perform sound checks. In January of 2019, six months later, the Town announced that they had approved another event for the same day with an end time of 4PM. After discussing the timing conflict with Town staff in January, it was agreed that the second, later event would end at 3PM and that Town staff would so inform the organizers of the second event. Despite repeated attempts from January up to July 6th, via email and in person, to confirm with Town staff that the other event organizers were aware of and in agreement with this, they were unable to positively do so. Fortunately the Heritage Festival organizers were most gracious and helpful in resolving the issue on the afternoon of July 6th.
With regard to the “mess” supposedly left in the gazebo by the performers on July 6th, having worked with this group for several years, they are very professional and it is not their style. There were over 1,000 people in the park that evening and it’s equally plausible that some other party left the “mess”. By the way, the description sounds similar to what is thrown over the railing of the gazebo into the planting beds daily.
It is true that two instruments were left in the gazebo on July 6th. The band discovered this upon their return to Richmond early that Sunday morning and advised me via text message. The insinuation that items were overlooked because the band was somehow impaired is offensive. I am glad to live in a town where two expensive instruments can be left overnight in a public park and still be there the next morning.
With regard to the Gospel Tabernacle Community Day event on July 27, it is not clear what is meant by “CCP concert people did the same thing”. We did put out parking cones that morning as usual. In five years, no individual, event organizer or member of Town staff has ever complained to us about it.
I object to the suggestion of obnoxious treatment of anyone.
With regard to Town funding for summer concerts or anything else, it is certainly up to the Town to balance its $8,000,000 budget.
Yes, the summer concerts are in jeopardy which in my view is sad. If you would like to let the Town know how you feel about it you can contact the Mayor at mayor@capecharles.org, the Town Council at towncouncil@capecharles.org, or the Town Manager at townmanager@capecharles.org
Bill Prickett
Daniel Burke says
I live near Central Park. Personally. I find the concerts annoying. CCP do, on occasion, act as if its ‘their’ park. Their mantra has become “hey you people get off our park”.
Kearn C SCHEMM says
Town staff and CCP need to mend their fences. The summer concerts are a wonderful asset for the town and should continue.
Tom Finn says
The park is a beautiful venue….kids play. Adults visit and dance….its free to all who come.
Would be a tremendous shame to eliminate the Sat. Concerts. Its really a community event.
Time to gather and let the kids run and music fill the air.
Please work out your differences….not many small towns have such a beautiful setting for these evening concerts.
Buddy Matthews says
Tom Finn for Town Council …A new man with new ideas, in a new time for CC.
Michelle Gooden says
We are new to Cape Charles, having moved here full time in June. I haven’t been here long enough to share my concerns, but I would like to share my thanks for the incredible events we attended this Summer. We haven’t seen any of the negative things that others have seen, and I’m so sorry to hear of the issues both with the actual events as well as relationship with the Town and CCP. I totally understand that growing pains can cause friction and hope that as a Come Here, I can contribute in even some small way to helping maintain (or bring back?) the absolutely amazing community we see and have seen over the four years we have been visiting. Again, I dont have any solutions as a newcomer, but I certainly will pay better attention to volunteer opportunities to help continue to make the events as beautiful as they have been to us. And we will continue to donate to any group taking time and energy to continue having these social events for our town, and its visitors.
Thank you again for all that you all have done, whether that’s “the Town,” “CCP,” “CC Main Street,” merchants, or individuals. You’ve made us feel very good about making CC our home.
Marlene Cree says
I agree with the numerous comments that it would be a shame to allow the Concerts In the Park events to disappear. They are wonderful events that bring together mostly locals, but also visitors to relax, have fun, enjoy the music and generally have a good time. Our firm, Blue Heron Realty, has been a sponsor of these concerts for several years as have many other local businesses. I personally have attended 3 concerts this year plus the Uke Festival. They were wonderful. What I observed ( and took numerous photos of for our company Facebook page ) were smiling people using and enjoying the Park, relaxing on their lawn chairs and blankets. Young folks and old, lots of families with kids, parents with toddlers and babies. Teenagers playing soccer over at the nets. A few bikes, little kids on tiny scooters, lots of people walking dogs of every shape and kind. What more could anyone ask of a peaceful public event than happy participation by a wide swath of the citizenry ? My teenage grandsons loved to come and hang out with friends, tossing footballs, enjoying the music, munching on a few Gordo tacos. I never saw a single sign of public drunkenness. Never. I did see small cups of margaritas being consumed here and there but nothing of concern. It would be a shame to cancel one of the nicest ongoing community events over what appears to be misunderstandings and possibly turf squabbles.
I thought that the comment from Bill Prickett cleared up the issue of the Heritage Festival. If the CCP permits to start at 3 pm were issued in July of 2018 then the Town should not have issued a permit for the Heritage Festival to continue until 4pm. The Town should have corrected it’s mistake early on. It doesn’t seem that any problem ensued from that as the Festival agreed to conclude early.
As for the small amount of trash and the 2 instruments left behind by the British Invasion band, both seem minor to me. I’m sure the band would not be blaming the Town for its own carelessness in leaving a couple instruments behind. Some water bottles and a little trash left behind by group after an energetic performance in the heat seems a minor inconvenience. Maybe organizing a volunteer clean up crew would help in the future. The LOVEFEST event on July 6th was a unique, highly promoted, once in 50 years event that coincided with July 4th which is a huge visitor week for Cape Charles. I’m not surprised that CCP sold a lot of margaritas that evening. But attendance was huge so the total consumption would have been spread over quite a large number of individuals and was not worrisome. CCP has an ABC Permit that they adhere to so if something is off I’m sure they will hear about it from that Board but I for one have not seem any alcohol problems in the Park.
With regard to the supposed “disrespect” to the Gospel Tabernacle Day group let me say this. Everyone follows the same rules. The cones are put out and you have to lug your stuff. We unloaded our tent, tables, chairs, literature etc. from the end of Peach Street just like everyone else every week. I think it is unwise to impute a very negative motive where none appears intended. As for older, well, not giving my age but I probably qualify as “older”. Nevertheless the rules for me would be the same as for everyone else.
The moral to this long, long comment is that a sit-down, work-it-out meeting between the Town staff and CCP seems in order. Asap. The public should not have to forgo these wonderful summer concerts because a few people are bent out of shape. This was the Summer of LOVE. So – if not love, can we please at least see some consideration and compromise from the parties to resolve these issues and assure the continuance of this fine program..
RICK says
I have attended many Concerts in Central park over the Years .MY BIG CONCERN IS the large number or young people on skate boards and Cycles , weaving in an out of the public foot paths Plus dogs Poop Where is our Police Department DO WE STILL HAVE ONE I HAVE NOT SEEN A PATROL IN THE PARK OR FOR THAT MATTER IN CAPE CHARLES IN YEARS . WE NEED A 24 7 FOOT AND MOTOR PATROL checking doors and bars NOT DRINKING COFFEE IN A POLICE CAR
Patsy Harris says
The town of Cape Charles has a wonderful partner in this civic organization that has saved Central Park from neglect and lack of use. CCP has brought fantastic concerts to the park each week of the summer providing a lovely event for residents and visitors. The town staff has done little or nothing in this arena so if CCP “picks up its ball and goes home” as the writer so judgmentally phrased it, who will fill this void? Will Town of CC Parks and Recreation line up concerts and plan other activities in the park? Have they ever done that? Will they maintain what’s in the park and raise funds to keep improving it? It would be a shame to lose this family-friendly evening of community camaraderie that CCP provides each Saturday during the summer. And, it would be a shame to alienate these stewards of the park. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth Mr. Dire!
Lawrence DiRe says
Ms. Harris,
Thanks for your comments. Town staff already is working on the summer music series and other community events. The budget line for these concerts is $7,200 through June 30, 2020 with more being available July 1, 2020. That concert funding was never repealed. The summer music series was never cancelled. CCP made a statement they would not do the concert series. That was their choice. Community events are already booked for next summer. And the music program is being expanded to Strawberry Plaza and the harbor. A welcome for new teachers and family kick off for the new school year is already scheduled for late August in the park. Alcohol free, Ms. Harris. See the September 13, 2019 edition of the town Gazette for more information on summer events. So, with all due respect, if you think the music program was cancelled, you are mistaken because the town never made that statement and certainly never cancelled the concerts. CCP made that statement, which is their choice.
Public open spaces are maintained by public revenue, as is Central Park. The contributions are welcome and serve a purpose, but tax revenues actually maintain the park. Town staff provides maintenance, and repair. Not funded by donations. Hope this helps clarifies the situation. Happy to discuss anytime. My direct line is 757-331-2979.
Hank Mayer says
As the Town Manager would say, “without due respect”, the Town of Cape Charles administrative staff have never organized or managed any of the Harbor for the Arts Summer festival concerts in the Park. Nor is he or his staff planning to host and manage a Park concert program in 2020.
Why does he continue to attack a small volunteer non-profit organization, that 18 yrs ago with input from hundreds of residents and visitors, created the vision and structure of what today is Central Park, from what was then a chained-link fenced abandoned high school football field? Along the way it raised more than a hundred thousand dollars to improve what is a town-owned and community beneficial asset, as well as a large portion of the costs to provide these summer concerts.
Hopefully the more reasonable minds of the elected Mayor and Town Council will prevail going forward.
Lawrence DiRe says
Hank, maybe because “Harbor for the Arts” does not constitute a monopoly on community events in Central Park or the town in general. And no one ever said staff was doing “Harbor for the Arts.” Town staff has planned many events in the park with a wide variety of community partners and will continue to do so. Check out the September 13, 2019 town Gazette for the calendar of events already booked. And the summer music program, notice not being call “Harbor for the Arts,” is being expanded to Strawberry Plaza and the harbor. Organized and managed by town staff. Last time I checked, both locations are in town and deserving of taxpayer expenditures for community events to serve folks in those parts of town.
Neither is the important and valuable work of CCP past and present synonymous with nor exclusive to the “Harbor for the Arts” concerts. All the upcoming park improvements, which CCP graciously took on, generated from a cooperative town staff and University of Virginia faculty initiative to develop a green infrastructure plan for the entire town. You know that because it grew out out the RAFT project, during which you played a valuable role. And the park and those enjoying the park will be better for it. The park is not limited to ten Saturday nights of the year. It is much bigger and more important than that. You and I both know that. Always happy to discuss, and you know how to contact me.