An ongoing online public town hall with the Virginia Department of Health is overwhelmingly anti-mandate with thousands of responses.
See latest results here: https://townhall.virginia.gov/L/comments.cfm?petitionid=352&fbclid=IwAR3r2vf3YWG2oz2KZHkiOy7bwvSYVR-7C9keEibWCm76ZlBDILrielzOKL4
The Virginia Department of Health will vote on whether they will mandate teachers and students to get the vaccine on October 17th.
Sorin Varzaru says
No vaccine, no ICU bed if you get sick with covid. How is that?
Bob says
Can’t
Drs take an oath
Cannot turn away anyone
Paul Plante says
STOOPID, Sorin, real STOOPID, especially if those people have been infected with COVID by some HOLIER-THAN-THOU, maybe even yourself, who has been vaccinated, but still remains a DISEASE SPREADER, and susceptible to catching COVID themselves from some other HOLIER-THAN-THOU who also has been vaccinated but remains a disease spreader just the same, a modern day “Typhoid Mary,” and this could be you, Sorin, and dying from it.
And why are those people going to need an ICU bed?
ICU beds are for those who are really sick to begin with, and are dying of something else, and the FOR PROFIT HOSPITALS who are concerned with ROI for their stockholders (it is about the health of the stock market, people, not the health of the general public, who are now nothing more than infrastructure in the BRAVE NEW WORLD of the DICTATOR Joe Biden) want an opportunity to reap some more profits off of them while they can keep them breathing on a ventilator until the heart finally stops beating.
Speaking of reaping some BIG BUCK$ from COVID, let’s go to a Healthcare Finance article entitled “Average cost of hospital care for COVID-19 ranges from $51,000 to $78,000, based on age” by Mallory Hackett, Associate Editor on November 5, 2020, where we have as follows, keeping in mind that the prices are probably a lot higher today, to wit:
The average cost of hospital care for COVID-19 patients without insurance or who receive out-of-network care varies greatly by age – from $51,389 for patients between 21- and 40-years-old to $78,569 for patients between 41 and 60 years old, according to updated cost analysis data from FAIR Health.
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A word to the wise – invest in healthcare stocks and Moderna, and soon, you’ll not only have your own yacht, but a private jet and a helicopter, too!
Getting back to the profits to be made off of COPVID now that the CDC has insured its spread to make it a money maker for the healthcare industry in America, we have:
Hospitalization charges for patients under 20-years-old without insurance averaged about $68,261.
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HOOK’EM WHEN THEY ARE YOUNG, HEAP THE DEBT ON THEM, AND YOU OWN THEM FOR LIFE AS A DEBT SLAVE!
Getting back to the business side of COVID, we have:
For people over 60-years-old, that figure was about $77,323.
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And there they are going after whatever money these people have saved up, so when they die, their family gets nothing but a huge medical bill they are responsible for, because it is the right thing to do.
God bless COVID, says the Wall Street crowd, and actually, who can blame them?
Sorin Varzaru says
“FOR PROFIT HOSPITALS who are concerned with ROI for their stockholders ”
I find it funny you are railing against that. What’s an alternative acceptable to you?
Paul Plante says
PUBLIC HOSPITALS which is what we had in this country before hack politicians sold us out to the HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY!
Didn’t they teach you nothing in high school, Sorin, that you don’t know that?
Paul Plante says
Personally, Sorin, I find the concept of profiting off of sick people and turning them into cash cows for the HEALTHCARE INDUSTRY to be obscene and unnatural and it is an incentive to keep people sick, which is why we now have so many sick and unhealthy people in this country, because they represent a huge pool of money for the HEALTCARE INDUSTRY that feeds of the sickness of the American public.
Are you heavily invested in the HEALTH CARE INDUSTRY, Sorin?
In 2018, the global healthcare sector’s revenue was $1.853 trillion, an increase of 4.5% on a year-on-year basis.
Talk about ROI, Sorin, that a good sector of the market to be invested in, especially as the industry has created so many sick people in this country to guarantee them a healthy revenue stream far into the future, and then you can retire, Sorin, to one of your villas, with your own private jet, yacht, and helicopter.
Isn’t Uhmureeka just great!
Streets paved with gold, and all that stuff?
Emily Dickenson says
Paul- You are Exactly correct- about the huge cash cow Covid is for hospitals, big pharma, and all those who had the inside track and invested in them early. Also correct about Sorin’s intellect and and discernment. But anyone who follows this website knows that already. I suspect he is still on FB, but I blocked him long ago. Keep telling the truth!
Paul Plante says
Quite honestly, Sorin, it sounds very much like a policy one would expect to see being instituted in some kind of FASCIST or TOTALITARIAN state.
Paul Plante says
Sounds an awful lot like Joe Biden using COVID to impose a dictatorship on us the way Hitler used the Reichstag fire to suspend Constitutional rights and impose a dictatorship on the former DEMOCRACY of the Weimar Republic, doesn’t it?
Seems to to me, anyway.
And once again, a grateful nation thanks you for bringing that to our attention.
Paul Plante says
For an excuse maker like Joe Biden who is always looking for something to blame his ineptness and incompetence on this COVID has been a real political windfall for him, as he blames everything going wrong in his incompetent administration on COVID and of course, the DREGS OF SOCIETY and DEPLORABLES from Hillary’s basket who hate Joe and want to see him fail, so they are being real thugs and are not getting vaccinated just to spite Joe and cause all the problems he is confronted with, or so his excuses go.
Emily Dickenson says
It’s almost beyond belief that this is even an issue. As FREE citizens in a free (?) republic, we should ALL have the power over our own bodies. The covid shot is an experimental substance. Per the CDC’s own website, it has over 700,000 reported adverse reactions- including DEATH, heart problems, blood clots, and neurological problems. The choice to take it or not to take it should be up to each individual. This seems like basic human freedom to me….? We sure are seeing all the little dictator wanna-bes come out over this though. And I would bet big dollars that the same ones saying ‘take your shot, or else starve, loose your home, and die” are the SAME ones saying Abortions for ALL- free and anytime! Hypocrites!!!
Paul Plante says
We ceased being free citizens in a free republic long long ago.
First, we were reduced from being citizens to being consumers, as if we were feedlot cattle.
And now, we are nothing more than infrastructure, like a road or sewer system.
Sorin Varzaru says
“Per the CDC’s own website, it has over 700,000 reported adverse reactions- including DEATH, heart problems, blood clots, and neurological problems. ”
Sigh. That’s not what that means. Correlation is not the same as causation. On that same website, it explains all that.
Paul Plante says
Sorin, YOU are going to just love this.
Talk about doing a fiddle with the numbers to support a FALSE NARRATIVE about the efficacy of these Biden vaccines and a FALSE NARRATIVE about how it is the unvaccinated that are causing all the problems, which is political horse poop straight out of 1984.
Serves to illustrate that old political adage of what you don’t look for you will never see and the fools will never know the difference, because they are fools who believe on obeying the VOICE OF AUTHORITY, in this case, Tony Fauci:
POLITICO
“CDC under fire for decision to limit tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people – The agency’s decision to limit its reporting of breakthrough cases has prompted wide variation in how states keep tabs on them.”
By RACHEL ROUBEIN and DAVID LIM
07/30/2021
Updated: 07/30/2021
The Centers for Disease Control’s limited tracking of Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people is hindering public health officials’ attempts to stem the nationwide surge of the highly transmissible Delta variant.
The agency said in May that it would stop routinely tracking so-called breakthrough infections that didn’t lead to hospitalization or death.
Several states then stopped tracking mild breakthrough cases, and at least two states told POLITICO they are having trouble reliably tracking infections in vaccinated people.
Now some public health experts and lawmakers are pressuring the CDC to reverse its decision and collect comprehensive data on infections in vaccinated people — from mild to severe.
Such cases are very rare, but monitoring them can help reveal how likely a vaccinated person is to infect others, and how well vaccines work over time and against emerging Covid-19 variants.
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And let’s stop right there, people, because while some 90 million people in this country are very stupid, not the rest of us.
IF THE CDC IS NOT COLLECTING COMPREHENSIVE DATA ON INFECTIONS IN VACCINATED PEOPLE — FROM MILD TO SEVERE, THEN HOW CAN TONY FAUCI STAND THERE WITH A STRAIGHT FACE AND TELL US THEY ARE VERY RARE?
BASED ON WHAT DATA?
OH, RIGHT, THERE IS NONE, BUT TRUST TONY BECAUSE HIS IS THE VOICE OF AUTHORITY.
AND BE SUBMISSIVE AS YOU DO LUSTEN TO HIM!
Getting back o that story of the CDC DATA FIDDLE, we have:
State and local officials also need information on breakthrough cases to make better, more targeted, decisions about when masks are warranted or whether to limit the size of gatherings.
“Given what we know about Delta now — and more what we don’t know about Delta — having a fuller picture of breakthrough cases no matter what the level of symptoms is important to be able to decide what rules and mitigation strategies you need to put in place in your community,” said Adriane Casalotti, chief of public and government affairs at the National Association of County and City Health Officials.
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And here we come to the part of the story that will have Sorin feeling good about himself as well as all warm and gushy and squishy inside, to wit:
CDC illustrated the importance of such tracking on Tuesday, when Director Rochelle Walensky said her agency was once again recommending that vaccinated people wear masks indoors in some areas — citing new data from an outbreak in Massachusetts that suggests people who have been inoculated can spread the Delta variant as easily as people who are unvaccinated.
Although vaccinated people who catch Covid-19 are less likely to be hospitalized or die, CDC now says they can play an unknowing role in starting or continuing outbreaks.
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That’s Sorin, people!
A modern day TYPHOID MARY!
Getting back to the story:
In the meantime, the agency’s decision to limit its reporting of breakthrough cases has prompted wide variation in how states keep tabs on them.
At least 30 states are monitoring all breakthrough infections, according to a POLITICO survey of state officials.
Another eight — including Ohio, Texas and South Carolina — said they’re following CDC’s approach and only collecting data on severe cases.
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But of course, CDC’s highly UNSCIENTIFIC approach is INTENDED to SKEW the data to present the American people with a FALSE NARRATIVE because in the end, the CDC is a SHILL for BIG PHARM, and those states that go along with it are helping the CDC to mislead us, which takes us back to the story once more, to wit:
Two, Iowa and Missouri, said they don’t have good data on breakthrough cases of any type.
Complicating the situation, many fully vaccinated people have in recent months refrained from seeking testing if they have been exposed to the virus, resulting in a sharp decline in tests being performed and sequenced to detect virus variants.
And it is taking weeks for sequencing data from labs to be reflected in CDC’s estimates of the prevalence of variants.
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So talk about VACCINE MISINFORMATION being jammed down our throats by the TOTALITARIAN BIODEN REGIME that has suspended our Constitutional rights while Joe tries to fight this battle he is losing against COVID, as he lost Afghanistan, there it is before our eyes in plain language that maybe even the severely indoctrinated Sorin will be able to see, which again takes us back to the CDC FIDDLE:
Asked about its breakthrough policy, CDC said focusing on cases where patients have severe disease helps “maximize the quality of the data collected on cases of greatest clinical and public health importance.”
Walensky took a tougher line during a press call Tuesday, saying it was a “misconception” that her agency was not doing enough to understand the patterns of infection in vaccinated people.
CDC would soon release data on “tens of the thousands” of people across the country who have caught Covid-19 after vaccination, she added.
The agency is performing focused studies in dozens of academic medical centers, hospitals and nursing homes and across the country.
It is also publishing model estimates every two weeks on the prevalence of Covid-19 variants in different geographic regions every two weeks, using sequencing data from testing labs nationwide.
But critics argue that CDC is too slow to update its variant data, and the information is not granular enough.
“I do not believe once every two weeks is frequent enough and improvements ought to be made to the timing and frequency of the reporting that CDC is doing,” said Sen. Tammy Baldwin (D-Wis.), who pushed for genomic sequencing funding to be included in Biden’s coronavirus relief package.
Other lawmakers, such as Sen. Ed Markey (D-Mass.), are urging the agency to track all breakthrough infections, arguing that the country must monitor all Covid-19 cases in vaccinated people to measure vaccine effectiveness and help local officials mitigate or prevent new outbreaks.
Rick Bright, the senior vice president of pandemic prevention and response at the Rockefeller Foundation, said the U.S. must document “a fully representative sample” of breakthrough infections.
Creating a surveillance testing system to collect data on more vaccinated people with asymptomatic or mild infections could equip public health officials with a better understanding of how virus variants are spreading, he said.
“Tracking a full range of breakthrough viruses is the only way to understand where the next variants may appear, where mutations are happening, and to finally get ahead of the virus and end the pandemic everywhere for everyone,” said Bright, who led the Biomedical Advanced Research and Development Authority.
“That’s why CDC’s decision to focus on only some of these viruses from vaccine breakthrough cases is extremely worrisome.”
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And let us be truthful with ourselves, people, because our lives depend on it – THE CDC IS A POLITICAL LASH-UP!
THEY PLAY AT POLITICS!
They do not do science, and I wonder if they even understand what the word means.
Speaking of playing PARTISAN POLITICS, when Hussein Obama became the Democratic nominee, Joe Biden’s Surgeon General Vivek Murthy, a uniformed member of the Public Health Service (the surgeon general is a commissioned officer in the U.S. Public Health Service Commissioned Corps, one of the eight uniformed services of the United States, and by law holds the rank of vice admiral) and fellow physicians founded Doctors for Obama.
He was subsequently canned by Trump, and then re-instated by Joe Biden, for demonstrated political loyalty to the CAUSE OF JOE, so that he is a member of the CULT OF JOE.
So really, people, what kind of truth can we expect out of him that isn’t skewed the way Joe Biden needs it skewed?
Getting back to the story:
Better reporting of the entire spectrum of breakthrough infections — focusing on people who develop symptoms of Covid-19 — could have helped CDC issue its latest guidance on mask-wearing in a way that was “clearer, more understandable, and likely more readily accepted,” said David Holtgrave, dean of the School of Public Health at the University at Albany, who recently co-authored a JAMA op-ed arguing for expanded surveillance of Covid-19 in vaccinated people.
The tide may be starting to turn.
CDC this week quietly reversed its long-held stance that vaccinated people who spend time around an infected person don’t need to be tested unless they develop symptoms.
It is now recommending tests after three to five days, no matter what — which could help illuminate how new variants spread among the vaccinated.
Yet, some state officials and health experts say it’s not necessary to track mild or asymptomatic breakthrough cases, arguing that gathering information on hospitalizations and conducting focused studies provides a better glimpse of those vaccinated people most susceptible to severe infection.
“It’s useful to know about breakthrough that leads to severe illness and it’s useful to know about breakthrough that leads to self-limited illness,” said Marcus Plescia, the chief medical officer for the Association of State and Territorial Health Officials.
“I don’t know though that we need CDC guidelines and every state collecting and reporting that data.”
“That is being studied in academic institutions.”
The United States’ fragmented health care system can complicate the tracking of breakthrough cases in some states where hospitals, labs and immunization registries may not be synced up.
Both state and federal government agencies are constantly faced with a trade-off between speed and care when responding to crises.
“We can spend a whole lot of effort and energy on something we know is reliably going to happen but without much consequences,” said Andy Slavitt, who recently left his post as a senior Biden coronavirus adviser, during a media call last week.
But the former official acknowledged that the U.S. would benefit if the system could more rapidly track and declare variants of concern.
The collection of data CDC relied on to alter its masking and testing guidance this week raises new questions that are best addressed by targeted epidemiological investigations, rather than widespread surveillance of breakthrough cases, according to Jennifer Nuzzo, an epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University’s Bloomberg School of Public Health.
“It’s not necessarily a full-blown surveillance effort where we need all states to report these cases to CDC,” Nuzzo said.
“But we certainly should have an effort to study to figure out how frequently they’re happening and if we should care about them.”
Some state officials understand why CDC is focusing on severe breakthrough cases but say a more detailed national portrait could be beneficial.
“Understanding the nature of the new variant — for example, the Delta variant or any future variants that come through — that information helps inform the approach that we may take, as we continue our response to the pandemic,” said Jinlene Chan, Maryland’s deputy secretary of public health services.
Sorin Varzaru says
I don’t have time to read your endless rants Paul. Make your point in a paragraph and I will read it. I’m pretty sure though your reply had nothing to do with vaers and people’s apparent inability to comprehend what it’s for.
Paul Plante says
How to do the old duck and dodge, Sorin!
And that hardly is my “rant.”
It is a Politico article that exposes the CDC as a source of VACCINE MISINFORMATION.
And frankly, Sorin, nobody really cares if you read it or not, because you are so indoctrinated you really could not assimilate what it says.
Paul Plante says
A paragraph?
How about a very simple sentence, instead, to wit: the vaunted United State Center for Disease Control FAILED utterly and totally to control COVID and now they are feeding us disinformation on vaccine efficacy to protect Moderna’s bottom line and profit margins.
And check out Pew Research, Sorin:
MAY 17, 2021
Public trust in government remains low.
Only about one-quarter of Americans say they can trust the government in Washington to do what is right “just about always” (2%) or “most of the time” (22%).
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That distrust is because Washington politicians are ******* morons who most people wouldn’t trust to walk their dogs.
Blue Hoss says
Maybe you two should get a room…
Paul Plante says
Yeah, right, Hoss, but personally, I don’t swing that particular way!
Emily Dickenson says
Absolutely CORRECT!!!