October 6, 2025

4 thoughts on “Op Ed: We need an honest conversation about Tangier, global warming, and sea level rise

  1. “It is time for the fear mongers to introduce a little intellectual honesty to the conversation.”

    I don’t think of myself as much of a a fear-monger, but I am a fan of intellectual honesty, so here is my
    modest contribution:

    I don’t claim to know the answers to the subject of climate change in general, or the fate of Tangier Island in particular, but I was curious, and I did a little research on my own.

    Mr. Landis did not provide any specific links for his quotes, and I was not able to actually identify them precisely, but I did look at the websites of some of the organizations he mentioned, and found the following:

    Remote Sensing Systems (http://www.remss.com/):
    The satellite data in question has been a mainstay of climate denial enthusiasts, however the RSS has re-examined their methodology and determined that there were inconsistencies in the way in which individual satellites took their measurement, and last year they updated and re-issued the dataset, which shows modest but continued warming:
    https://phys.org/news/2016-03-revamped-satellite-global.html

    The following is a link to the actual RSS paper published in the American Meteorological Society’s Online Journal:
    http://journals.ametsoc.org/doi/abs/10.1175/JCLI-D-15-0744.1?af=R&

    The OISM Petition Project (http://www.petitionproject.org/):
    The OISM Petition Project is presented as evidence of a substantial backlash by scientists who disagree with the consensus view on climate change. The following articles provide ample reason for skepticism regarding both OISM and the related Petition Project:

    Wikipedia article regarding the OISM Petition Project (aka Oregon Petition):
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oregon_Petition

    https://skepticalscience.com/OISM-Petition-Project.htm

    US National Snow and Ice Data Center (https://nsidc.org/):
    I did not find any evidence that “Artic ice has significantly expanded for past two consecutive years” on the site, but there is a lot of information available, so perhaps I missed it. The following plot of “Average Monthly Artic Sea Ice Extent July 1979 – 2017” seems to me a more accurate representation of the site’s overall message:
    https://nsidc.org/arcticseaicenews/files/2017/08/Figure3-350×270.png

    In addition, the following plot is also informative, it is captioned:
    “The 2012 Arctic sea ice minimum, on September 16, 2012, reached the lowest ice extent in the satellite record. Credit: National Snow and Ice Data Center”
    https://nsidc.org/sites/nsidc.org/files/images//N_20120916_doy_extn_hires-350×417.png

    Regarding Dr. Richard Lindzen:
    The author appears to have overstated Dr. Lindzen’s output by a factor of 10 (~200 papers, not 2000).

    Some examples of why it might be wise to be skeptical about Dr. Lindzen’s claims:
    https://www.skepticalscience.com/skeptic_Richard_Lindzen.htm

    Other MIT climate scientist’s critique of Dr. Lindzen’s letter to Donald Trump:
    https://insideclimatenews.org/news/06032017/climate-change-denial-scientists-richard-lindzen-mit-donald-trump

    A few other things:
    http://news.mit.edu/2017/mit-issues-statement-research-paris-agreement-0602
    https://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2017/06/08/trump-used-our-research-to-justify-pulling-out-of-the-paris-agreement-he-got-it-wrong/?utm_term=.088d08303e44

    So yes, I tried to introduce a little intellectual honesty to the conversation.

    1. If they will not tell the truth about slavery, why on earth would they tell the truth about erosion?
      Let us try a few facts that should be spoken often and loud:

      1) 10-15 million African slaves were shipped to the New World, but only 6% (400,000) to North America. The vast majority went to South America, yet countries like Brazil don’t get hit with slavery guilt.

      2) Most of the American slave ships and American slave-markets were run by Jews. But no one blames modern Jews. Because if anyone today says anything was “run by Jews”, they’re immediately dismissed as a crazy anti-Semite, regardless of whether or not it’s true. Nonetheless, slavery is projected onto and laid entirely at the feet of White men.

      3) There are approximately 5-8,000 White Supremacist(KKK, Nazi, ect). It is totally impossible for 5-8,000 people to be Trump’s base. It is totally impossible for them to have swung the vote in his favor. In fact, most of the real White Supremacist are incarcerated.

      Until Americans want to deal with cold, hard facts….there will be nothing left but emotion. This country can not be governed by simple emotion. If we continue to divide our nation, there will be an attempt to take us over. If we do not stand together we will fall divided. I was not raised to even understand this madness and I will not change my moral compass to support liberals ideals.

  2. I visited the island. My take: they want to build a sea wall on the N.West side to help stop erosion. In the short term that will help. But,…and this is big, there is hydraulic pressure under the island. It’s causing graves to pop up. Tangeir, like so many islands before it will disappear. Probably sooner than later. They all know one big storm and that could be it. It’s hard to leave the things you love. However, like a famous rock group once pointed out; You can’t always get what you want. The Federal & State Government should help them relocate.

    1. I suspect the question of Tangier Island will be settled once and for all time as it was on the community of Broadwater on Hog Island .

      After the hurricane caused the seas to wash over the island , the remaining houses were barged to Willis Wharf and are still there with plaques to identify them .

      Rather than spend money to delay the inevitable how about a grant to move certain buildings to the mainland ? Maybe even something like John Rockefeller did for Williamsburg .

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