Democrats’ radically nuclear response to the SCOTUS vacancy is a real threat to Joe Biden’s candidacy. Up until now, Biden has been able to run as the “take a breath” candidate. Things have been crazy; here’s an empathetic elderly gentleman who will restore normalcy.
All of that goes by the wayside when Dems threaten to kill the filibuster, ram through new states, pack the court, and impeach people just to delay Supreme Court hearings. Now the election becomes a referendum on the new, far more threatening batch of crazy Dems are proposing.
And it IS crazy. If Democrats were to kill the filibuster, add states, and pack the court, the fundamental nature of the federal government would be completely rewritten. Essentially, a bare majority of Democrats would be able to, unchecked, rewrite the Constitution.
States would correctly resist. Imagine a 53-vote Democratic majority (adding four Dem Senators from DC and Puerto Rico, e.g.) ramming through a gun confiscation package. Imagine a 13-member packed SCOTUS greenlighting that measure. You think TX, MS, GA, FL stand for that?
Checks and balances were designed to require overwhelming consent to major political changes. Democrats have long objected to those checks and balances, but have refrained from utterly abolishing them. That’s because the consequences of abolishing them is national dissolution.
That’s why Biden is hesitating here. He’s afraid of ruling out going nuclear — which would likely win him the election — because he’s afraid of sapping the base of its energy.
He’s also afraid of endorsing going nuclear, because he’s afraid the election will then become a referendum on his endorsement of radicalism.
Paul Plante says
To people who are sane and rational and ruled by reason as opposed to passion, the Democrats appear very crazy indeed, and likely are, because being TOO passionate about a particular thing can consume one’s life and lead to a deterioration in other areas of life, like mental health, because the passion is no longer a passion; the passion has become an obsession which can be punishing in other areas of life.
As a public official deemed too honest by the Democrats, I have had to face several howling Democrat mobs and to me, there wasn’t a sane one in the bunch.
In FEDERALIST. No. 1, titled “General Introduction” by Alexander Hamilton for the Independent Journal to the People of the State of New York, the author spoke of passions in politics as follows:
AFTER an unequivocal experience of the inefficacy of the subsisting federal government, you are called upon to deliberate on a new Constitution for the United States of America.
The subject speaks its own importance; comprehending in its consequences nothing less than the existence of the UNION, the safety and welfare of the parts of which it is composed, the fate of an empire in many respects the most interesting in the world.
The plan offered to our deliberations affects too many particular interests, innovates upon too many local institutions, not to involve in its discussion a variety of objects foreign to its merits, and of views, passions and prejudices little favorable to the discovery of truth.
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“Passions and prejudices little favorable to the discovery of truth” to me describes these howling Democrats to a tee – always looking for something to tear down, rend and destroy because they are incapable of building, being blinded by passion as they are!
Getting back to Al, he continued as follows:
And a further reason for caution, in this respect, might be drawn from the reflection that we are not always sure that those who advocate the truth are influenced by purer principles than their antagonists.
Ambition, avarice, personal animosity, party opposition, and many other motives not more laudable than these, are apt to operate as well upon those who support as those who oppose the right side of a question.
Were there not even these inducements to moderation, nothing could be more ill-judged than that intolerant spirit which has, at all times, characterized political parties.
For in politics, as in religion, it is equally absurd to aim at making proselytes by fire and sword.
Heresies in either can rarely be cured by persecution.
And yet, however just these sentiments will be allowed to be, we have already sufficient indications that it will happen in this as in all former cases of great national discussion.
A torrent of angry and malignant passions will be let loose.
To judge from the conduct of the opposite parties, we shall be led to conclude that they will mutually hope to evince the justness of their opinions, and to increase the number of their converts by the loudness of their declamations and the bitterness of their invectives.
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And that is the Democrats today – the loudness of their declamations about pretty much everything deafens the ear that must listen to them howling, while the bitterness of their invectives is grating on the ear, which in turn begs for deafness so as to no longer be able to hear the howling and moaning.
In FEDERALIST No. 2, “Concerning Dangers from Foreign Force and Influence” by John Jay for the Independent Journal to the People of the State of New York, we have further as follows:
As a nation we have made peace and war; as a nation we have vanquished our common enemies; as a nation we have formed alliances, and made treaties, and entered into various compacts and conventions with foreign states.
A strong sense of the value and blessings of union induced the people, at a very early period, to institute a federal government to preserve and perpetuate it.
They formed it almost as soon as they had a political existence; nay, at a time when their habitations were in flames, when many of their citizens were bleeding, and when the progress of hostility and desolation left little room for those calm and mature inquiries and reflections which must ever precede the formation of a wise and well balanced government for a free people.
It is not to be wondered at, that a government instituted in times so inauspicious, should on experiment be found greatly deficient and inadequate to the purpose it was intended to answer.
This intelligent people perceived and regretted these defects.
Still continuing no less attached to union than enamored of liberty, they observed the danger which immediately threatened the former and more remotely the latter; and being pursuaded that ample security for both could only be found in a national government more wisely framed, they as with one voice, convened the late convention at Philadelphia, to take that important subject under consideration.
This convention composed of men who possessed the confidence of the people, and many of whom had become highly distinguished by their patriotism, virtue and wisdom, in times which tried the minds and hearts of men, undertook the arduous task.
In the mild season of peace, with minds unoccupied by other subjects, they passed many months in cool, uninterrupted, and daily consultation; and finally, without having been awed by power, or influenced by any passions except love for their country, they presented and recommended to the people the plan produced by their joint and very unanimous councils.
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Today, the Democrats are influenced by hate of country, not love of country, at all; with the result that the Democrats are not composed of either men or women, think Charley “Chuck” Schumer, who is owned lock, stock and barrel by the Democratic Socialists who wear him on their watch chain like a fob, or Nancy Pelosi, who sells access to our federal government to those who bid highest for the “privilege,” who are possessed of the confidence of the people, other than those who want to tear it down to the ground and trample it in the mud, none of whom are at all distinguished in any way by their patriotism, virtue and wisdom.
In the “Federal Farmer I” political essay on October 8, 1787, the Federal Farmer speaks of the passions of ambitious, impatient, or disorderly men plunging us into commotions, and once again, he is making reference to the Democrats among us.
So why should we be surprised at any of the above, and the answer to that is we shouldn’t be, because we were warned of the dangers of these people long ago.
With respect to the danger we face as a people and as a nation should the Democrats take control of all three branches of our federal government, in “Federal Farmer I” on October 8, 1787, the Federal Farmer described it thusly with respect to how small a group of people at the federal level can be in total control of our lives and livelihoods, to wit:
In addition to the insecurity and inconveniences attending this organization beforementioned, it may be observed, that it is extremely difficult to secure the people against the fatal effects of corruption and influence.
The power of making any law will be in the president, eight senators, and seventeen representatives, relative to the important objects enumerated in the constitution.
Where there is a small representation a sufficient number to carry any measure, may, with ease, be influenced by bribes, offices and civilities; they may easily form private juntoes, and out-door meetings, agree on measures, and carry them by silent votes.
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Something to think about, anyway.
Do we really want to put our futures into the hands of people whose sanity we have to question?
Slide Easy says
The democrats were normal at birth…and then they spoiled faster then dead fish.
I don’t know how far they are prepared to go, but it looks like far enough that there will be widespread violence….
Frank Harris says
Let The Games Begin.
Sorin Varzaru says
why don’t people from DC and PR deserve representation in the senate? what makes them 2nd class citizens?
Publius Americanus says
Well, mostly since PR has voted ‘no’ every time the option of becoming a STATE has been offered, they do not get Senators.
Derp.
And DC was specifically meant to have no Statehood since that would proffer benefit to that state.
Derp.
But lemme guess…….you want to FORCE your wishes upon them, regardless of whether or not they want it.
Oh you totalitarians…….always with the force at the end of a gun.
Sorin Varzaru says
“On June 11, 500,000 Puerto Ricans voted for statehood, 7,600 voted for independence, and 6,700 voted for status quo.[47] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/51st_state#cite_note-47”
As far as DC, even more bullshit
https://www.dcvote.org/10-myths-about-district-columbia
Keep repeating the same bullshit, someone might believe you.
Publius Americanus says
A 2019 Gallup poll found 83% of Democrats, but only 35% of Republicans, supported Puerto Rican statehood. A 2020 survey by International Policy Digest found that “The majority of Democrats showed support for statehood for both D.C. (61.8%) and Puerto Rico (69.7%)” while among Republicans, only 26.7% supported D.C. statehood and 34.8% supported Puerto Rican statehood.[6][7] In September 2020, a national poll conducted by The New York Times/Siena College found 59% support for both D.C. and Puerto Rican statehood, with support at 77% for Democrats, 33% for Republicans, and 70% for Independents.[8]
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In 1790 the U.S. Congress established a 100-square-mile (260-square-km) territory to serve as the permanent seat of the federal government. (The territory was later named the District of Columbia, within which the city of Washington was built.) The location for the new territory was centralized among the Eastern Seaboard states and was about 90 miles (145 km) inland from the Atlantic Ocean on land ceded by Maryland and Virginia. In the mid-19th century the land south of the Potomac River that had been ceded by Virginia was returned to the state, reducing the District to its present-day size.
GO BACK TO THE SOCIALIST CESSPOOL YOU WISH TO LIVE IN.
Sorin Varzaru says
“GO BACK TO THE SOCIALIST CESSPOOL YOU WISH TO LIVE IN.”
Occasionally, after one buys a house, they find out it was rotten, riddled with termites and has structural problems. People rarely abandon their investment, they usually attempt to fix it before they throw in the towel. So right now, trying to remove the rot, termites and fix the structural problems. To do that, I’ll vote for Biden to remove the rot from the WH and elsewhere. I do like to thank President trump for awakening my interest in politics. I didn’t vote until he became president. I now understand the errors of my ways. Many other do as well.
Denise Pruitt says
We have a Constitution to guide us, We The People do not need any advise from a foreigner like you. Go fix your own home, so you can comfortably return.
Sorin Varzaru says
“We have a Constitution to guide us, We The People do not need any advise from a foreigner like you. Go fix your own home, so you can comfortably return.”
A lot of different Pruitts post here. And they all sound the same. Regardless, I asked a question. Why do people who pay taxes don’t deserve representation? Because it doesn’t benefit the Republican party?
Paul Plante says
What ignorant BULL****, Sorin!
Taxes are a function of the House, not the Senate.
Read the Constitution, instead of making stupid comments that a seven-year old could rebut.
Sorin Varzaru says
“What ignorant BULL****, Sorin!
Taxes are a function of the House, not the Senate.
Read the Constitution, instead of making stupid comments that a seven-year old could rebut.”
Got some comprehension issues Paul. Let me try to use simpler words. There are some people in this country , who are american citizens that are not represented in the congress and/or can’t vote for president simply because they live in areas with “special status”. that’s bullshig and it needs to get fixed. I understand that would suck for Republicans (or … ahem … “independents”) as these people are predominantly leaning towards democrats, but life is hard.
Paul Plante says
Got some comprehension and cognitive issues, Sorin?
Since the adoption of the Twenty-third Amendment to the United States Constitution in 1961, Washington, D.C. has had three electoral votes in the election of the President and Vice President of the United States, and has participated in every U.S. presidential election.
And how do you know how somebody is going to vote or how they are leaning?
Are you actually omniscient?
And if you don’t like how Puerto Rico is being treated, you can complain to Nancy Pelosi @ 1236 Longworth H.O.B., Washington, DC 20515, phone: (202) 225-4965.
Please let us know how you make out.
Paul Plante says
Why are people who are not Democrats not represented in the House of Representatives?
Why are white heterosexual males not represented in the House of Representatives?
Paul Plante says
There are some people in this country who are American citizens that are not represented in the congress simply because they are not Democrats or are white heterosexual males and that is BULL**** and it needs to get fixed.
I understand that would suck for Democrats as these people are predominantly not leaning towards Democrats who are a minority in this country, but life is hard.
Paul Plante says
While you are on the subject of comprehension issues, Sorin, and your obsession with Republicans, and your paranoia about Independents, and your glorification of Democrats, let me help you out with some facts.
First of all, and my goodness, Sorin, don’t take my word for it, check these things out for yourself and do some verification; despite all this “left-leaning” you are talking about bringing people into the Democrat party fold, as of May 2020, Gallup polling found that 31% of Americans identified as Democrats, which equates to 101,370,000 souls.
So the Democrats are at best a fringe, and a lunatic fringe at that, which brings us in turn to statistics from the CDC informing us that mental illnesses are among the most common health conditions in the United States with half the population being diagnosed with a mental illness.
There is the base of the Democrat party.
As to who forms the base of the Democrat party, a most enduring symbol of who is a Democrat is William R. Horton, born August 12, 1951.
For your information, Sorin, since you are so big on Democrats, William is an American convicted felon who, while serving a life sentence for murder (without the possibility of parole), was the beneficiary of a weekend furlough program in Massachusetts thanks to the good-heartedness of Democrat governor and presidential candidate Michael Dukakis, who not only supported it as a method of criminal rehabilitation, but also vetoed a bill by the Massachusetts legislature banning furloughs for convicted murderers like William, arguing it would “cut the heart out of efforts at inmate rehabilitation.”
Talk about insane Democrat polici8ies, Sorin, there is a doozy for you.
Not surprisingly, good Democrat that he was, William did not return from his furlough, and ultimately committed assault, armed robbery, and rape before being captured and sentenced in Maryland where he remains incarcerated.
There is some “criminal rehabilitation” for you, Democrat party style.
By way of background for you, Sorin, so you can better comprehend the company you keep when you congregate with your fellow Democrats, on October 26, 1974, in Lawrence, Massachusetts, William and two accomplices robbed Joseph Fournier, a White, 17-year-old gas station attendant, and then fatally stabbed Fournier nineteen times after he had cooperated by handing over all of the money in the cash register.
His body was stuffed in a trash can so his feet were jammed up against his chin.
Fournier died from blood loss.
Horton was convicted of murder, sentenced to life imprisonment without the possibility of parole, and incarcerated at the Northeastern Correctional Center in Massachusetts.
As was stated above, on June 6, 1986, William was released as part of a weekend furlough program but did not return and on April 3, 1987, in Oxon Hill, Maryland, William twice raped a woman after pistol-whipping, knifing, binding, and gagging her fiancé and he then stole the car belonging to the man he had assaulted.
On October 20, William was sentenced in Maryland to two consecutive life terms plus 85 years.
The sentencing judge, Vincent J. Femia, refused to return Horton to Massachusetts, saying, “I’m not prepared to take the chance that Mr. Horton might again be furloughed or otherwise released.”
“This man should never draw a breath of free air again.”
So much for Democrats, Sorin, enjoy their company, you can have them, they are all yours, and if you pass through Maryland in your travels, stop by and give William a hug.
He is a fellow Democrat, afterall!
You can find him at the Jessup Correctional Institution, a maximum security prison in Jessup, Maryland.
Paul Plante says
And God help the nation if somehow the Democrats, the party of the criminal set in America, should ever gain control of the Senate and Executive office besides the House of Representatives; we would have murderers and rapists like Willy Horton running loose all over the place, and Willy, as we can see from the following, despite the fact that he murdered a White person, was really a victim of “white man’s laws” passed by racist, white supremacist heterosexual males, the absolute worst kind that there can possibly be, the “Dregs of Society” as “Corn Pop” Biden calls them, or the “Basket of Deplorables” as Hillary Clinton has it, to wit:
“The fact is, my name is not ‘Willie.'”
“It’s part of the myth of the case.”
“The name irks me.”
“It was created to play on racial stereotypes: big, ugly, dumb, violent, black — ‘Willie’.”
“I resent that.”
“They created a fictional character — who seemed believable, but who did not exist.”
“They stripped me of my identity, distorted the facts, and robbed me of my constitutional rights.”
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See, Sorin, William Horton is the real victim here, because he is Black.
So, okay, he murdered somebody, but so what, really, because the kid he murdered was a racist, white supremacist dreg of society who belonged in the basket of deplorables anyway, which we know for a fact because the kid had white skin, which is a sure sign that he would be a white supremacist, because everybody knows what they are, those one with white skin, and we know he was a racist because everybody with white skin has implicit bias against Black people like the unfairly treated William Horton.
Paul Plante says
What’s up with this, Sorin?
The Guardian
No voice, no future? Roma ignored as Europe goes to polls …
Sorin Varzaru says
” The Guardian No voice, no future? Roma ignored as Europe goes to polls …”
That is a sad self perpetuating vicious circle. But they do have votes if their parents got a birth certificate when they were born. At least in Romania. Many don’t vote, but it’s not for the lack of rights.
Paul Plante says
Article I, Section 7, Clause 1:
All Bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives.
How come you don’t know these things?
Nino Varzaru says
Maybe you should go over to Tangier Isl. There are a lot of Pruitts over there and they all sound the same, bless your heart.
Ray Otton says
Uh, oh, they’s multiplyin’.
Must be something in the CC water.
MJM says
that’s not a racist comment from a progressive is it ?
Ray Otton says
Akshully, Puerto Ricans living in Puerto Rico DON”T pay federal taxes. They do pay into SS and Medicare.
All their taxes are paid to their commonwealth government.
Here’ where it gets interesting. Puerto Rico pays around $5 billion in total taxes and gets about $20 billion back from the US government, or American citizens, to be specific.
Talk about your taxation without representation, huh?
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As for DC, well, that is an entirely different story.
DC was never meant be the framers of the Constitution to be a place where people lived out their lives. It was a place for representatives from various states to reside and congregate temporarily, after which they would retire and move back home.
Recall that the framers envisioned a weak federal government, not the behemoth it has become. DC was only meant to be the home of such government and it was assumed that the only people there would have some connection to it.
Because they designed a weak federal government, the framers wanted it to bear no unfair allegiance to the states that housed it and they did not want a state to be able to make decisions affecting their workplace or other aspects of their lives.
They wanted the everyday needs of utilities, roads, traffic, and safety to be independent of any state for two reasons:
1 – so that a state couldn’t blackmail the federal government into something by interfering with those essential resources.
2 – so that the federal government wouldn’t feel as though it owed the host state anything for providing those resources.
Again, they intended a weak government so they put in protections to minimize outside influence.
But beyond this, the call for DC statehood runs into another severe challenge.
You see, DC was originally founded on land ceded to the federal government by Virginia and Maryland (Virginia was given back its share in 1846).
The implication is this: Maryland gave the federal government its land to create a neutral federal district. If it were to cease that, the land would belong to Maryland.
So, DC’s land belongs to one of two entities: the federal government or the state of Maryland. A third option would lead to a constitutional challenge under Article IV, which forbids the creation of a new state from the land of another.
Don’ think for a minute that Republicans wouldn’t take up that challenge because the Democrats would benefit from the probability that the two new Senators would be in their party based on the present demographics of the population in DC.
And it goes without saying that if the shoe were on the other foot, you would be crowing from the roof tops how unfair it was to award DC with statehood.
Paul Plante says
Because they are not states, Sorin, and in OUR SYSTEM, the way OUR national government is constituted, only states get representation in the Senate.
If you don’t like it that way, get the Constitution changed.
Sorin Varzaru says
“Because they are not states, Sorin, and in OUR SYSTEM, the way OUR national government is constituted, only states get representation in the Senate.
If you don’t like it that way, get the Constitution changed”
Why are they not states? We added states to the union before. It doesn’t require a change to constitutuon
Paul Plante says
Washington, District of Columbia, is not state, Sorin, because it is a federal district, or a federal city that is the seat of the NATIONAL government, which is why it isn’t a state, as the U.S. Constitution provided for a federal district under the exclusive jurisdiction of the U.S. Congress, and the district is therefore not a part of any U.S. state.
People living there who don’t like that are free to move.
As to Puerto Rico, according to our Constitution as written, new States may be admitted by the Congress into this Union; but no new States shall be formed or erected within the Jurisdiction of any other State; nor any State be formed by the Junction of two or more States, or parts of States, without the Consent of the Legislatures of the States concerned as well as of the Congress.
So why isn’t Puerto Rico a state?
Beats the **** out of me, Sorin.
How would I know?
I’m not a member of Congress and have never been, so I haven’t a clue as to what those morons, donkeys, imbeciles and fools are doing with respect to Puerto Rico.
Why don’t you ask Nancy Pelosi – afteral, she is the one in control of Congress, not me.
As to who doesn’t have representation in the House of Representatives, that answer is simple – everybody in this country who isn’t a Democrat, or who is a white heterosexual male.
MJM says
This is actually 2 different questions. As far as D.C. goes, we are all responsible for our own actions here in the U.S.A. When someone decides to live in D.C. they knowingly choose to give up representation. If they wish to have all the rights of U.S. citizens residing elsewhere, it is a simple process to move. It’s called choice.
As far as Puerto Rico goes, is this an exclusionary racist request from a progressive ? P.R. is not the only U.S. Territory. There are many. Why aren’t you requesting the same for all U.S. Territories ? Are Puerto Ricans better than all those from other territories ? Or do you believe them to vote the way you’d appreciate the most ?
Sorin Varzaru says
“Are Puerto Ricans better than all those from other territories ? Or do you believe them to vote the way you’d appreciate the most ?”
I was giving dc and pr as examples because they have significant populations. I have no problem with allowing every territory to have representation in congress and a voice in presidential election.
Paul Plante says
Well, while you may have no problem with it, Sorin, the fact of the matter is that in OUR system, territories of the United States of America are territories, not states, and hence as territories, they do not have the same rights as the states which comprise the union.
If they want the rights that come with statehood, then let them become states.
In my lifetime, both Hawaii and Alaska went from territory status to statehood, and those other territories can do the same.
Until then, in OUR system, they don’t have the rights of states, and tell us why they should?
Because they are affected by U.S. policies?
If that is the case, every single person n the world is entitled to vote in our elections because U.S policy affects everyone in the world.
Is that what you are aiming for – to give everyone in the world a say as what takes place in this country and who is to govern us?
And seriously Sorin, if you don’t like OUR system and you find so much wring with it, YOU are free to move to somewhere where things are more to your liking.
Sorin Varzaru says
“When someone decides to live in D.C. they knowingly choose to give up representation. If they wish to have all the rights of U.S. citizens residing elsewhere, it is a simple process to move. It’s called choice.”
So, you’d be fine with a change where for instance any person living in a rural area is not represented by a senator, right ? After all, you CAN move to a city.
Paul Plante says
In OUR system, Sorin, senators represent states, not people.
People are represented in the House of Representatives, which is why they are called representatives.
Paul Plante says
Given that senators are elected by all the people in a state, it would follow that it would make no difference whatsoever where you lived if you were being represented by a senator, which happens to be the case right here in the corrupt ****hole of New York, as we can clearly see from this GOTHAMIST article by Raphael Pope-Sussman on Feb. 1, 2017, as follows:
Hundreds of New Yorkers braved freezing temperatures Tuesday night on Brooklyn’s Grand Army Plaza at a rally calling upon U.S. Senate Minority Leader Chuck Schumer to take a firm stand against the Trump administration.
The rally was the latest in a series of weekly gatherings poetically dubbed “What the F*ck, Chuck?” outside the senator’s Brooklyn home on Prospect Park West and his offices in Midtown.
As a series of speakers stood on a platform and shouted over a mobile PA system, protesters cheered and jeered as they held signs with slogans like “Buck Up Chuck”; “Resisting Trump Is Your Primary Duty”; and “Filibuster Filibuster Filibuster.”
Hae-Lin Choi, of the Democratic Socialists of America and Resist Trump NY, took the stage first, announcing herself as an immigrant and telling the crowd why organizers had called for the protest.
“We planned this rally to Schumer’s home to help him find the spine and maybe some of the other body parts he needs to grow,” she said, citing Schumer’s early “yea” votes on Trump’s nominees to lead Defense, Homeland Security, and the Central Intelligence Agency.
Choi said organizers were encouraged by Schumer’s announcement in recent days that he would vote no on eight more nominees, but that they see this as a bare minimum and they intend to keep up the pressure.
“Senator Schumer must be bold and stand with the working class,” she cried over the loudspeaker.
“He has to champion the resistance or get out of the way and we’ll find someone that will.”
As Choi spoke, the crowd chanted, “Stand up, or get out of the way.”
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Were you one of the immigrants in that crowd, Sorin, chanting “Stand up, or get out of the way.”
It’s said they finally found Charley “Chuck” inside his house, cringing in his bathroom where he had wedged himself in behind his toilet, hoping they wouldn’t find him, but the puddle of yellow water on the floor gave him away.
It’s said they got a halter on him, and led him outside where they replaced the halter with a bridle and a Martingale bit in his mouth, and then put a saddle on him and had him ride Hae Lin Choi up and down the boulevard in front of his house while she raked his flanks with the rowels on her spurs to get him up to a good gallop, to the cheers of the mob.
In the meantime, those of us who are not immigrants or Democratic Socialists cannot get the time of day from Charley “Chuck” Schumer.
MJM says
No. Not fine with that idea. It’s not a balanced comparison either. How many cities do we have in this country ? Thousands. A voter can live in any of those. We have 1 to live in where you lose that right to vote. Sounds ignorant and stubborn to me for someone to move there and complain of the law.
You’re the one advocating for a change. Not I. AND you are trying to fight city hall. Good luck with that exercise in frustration.
Sorin Varzaru says
Fine, let’s accept the argument that people who MOVE to DC, choose to lose the right to representation. What about the ones that are born there? The ones that have their entire family in the area. Should they have to move away to gain the right to representation?
Paul Plante says
If they don’t like the way it is there, Sorin, like you, they are free to move to some place more to their liking.
Stuart Bell says
Obama calls me a Clinger.
Hillary calls me Deplorable.
Democrats call me Racist.
Pelosi calls me a Cult Member.
Biden doesn’t know what to call me.
Trump calls me an American.
Boot Lamb says
The word “racist” was their kill-shot-curse.
They launched it to enforce silence.
For years, it disabled our instinct for self-preservation.
Now that our country is on the line, people are waking up.
Leftists use the word “white” as a synonym for “enemy.”
They see most Americans as foreigners to crush.
(The Globalist Dream is the Conquest of America.)
Paul Plante says
Goofy old Joe can be afraid all he wants to be, but the fact of the matter is that the the election has already become a referendum on his endorsement of radicalism, and the goofball can’t escape that reality, especially on Wall $treet, where they are betting on how much the goofball will have to borrow to spend on turning this nation into a socialist welfare state.
Paul Plante says
If we wanted some further proof of “Corn Pop” Biden’s endorsement of radicalism, or perhaps it would be more proper to say radicalism’s hold on “Corn Pop,” or ownership of “Corn Pop,” we would need go no further than a San Francisco Chronicle article entitled “Black Lives Matter co-creator: Biden must choose a Black woman for VP” by Joe Garofoli, the San Francisco Chronicle’s senior political writer, covering national and state politics, on Aug. 3, 2020, where we were treated to the following directive or command to “Corn Pop,” himself the epitome of a lying dog-faced pony soldier if there ever was one, as follows:
Joe Biden will soon choose his running mate, and Black Lives Matter co-creator Alicia Garza says it had better be a Black woman.
“A Black woman in particular and not just a woman of color,” the Oakland resident told The Chronicle’s “It’s All Political” podcast, because ‘Black voters are who essentially made Joe Biden the presumptive nominee.'”
“That’s facts on facts.”
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BLACK LIVES MATTER, of course, is the Marxist-inspired movement that wants to disrupt our stable, law-abiding nuclear families, and as to Alicia Garza, who we see here giving “Corn Pop” Biden his marching orders as to who he has to pick as running mate, she herself was the subject of a New York Post article entitled “Black Lives Matter co-founder describes herself as ‘trained Marxist’” by Yaron Steinbuch on June 25, 2020, to wit:
Black Lives Matter co-founder Patrisse Cullors said in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” – making clear their movement’s ideological foundation, according to a report.
Cullors, 36, was the protégé of Eric Mann, former agitator of the Weather Underground domestic terror organization, and spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, Breitbart News reported.
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Now, let us make it incandescently clear here that the very last thing we need in the White House, OUR White House, is somebody, anybody, who embraces the Marxist-Leninist ideology of COMMUNISM, which in the Soldier’s Handbook issued to U.S. troops in 1968 was named as the major threat to our nation, and with damn good reason when one looks at the history of COMMUNISM and the misery it has caused to countless souls over time with its repressive policies, including the Gulags, a system of forced labor camps established during Joseph Stalin’s long reign as dictator of the Soviet Union, with a tentative historical consensus that of the 18 million people who passed through the gulag system from 1930 to 1953, between 1.5 and 1.7 million died as a result of their incarceration.
At its height, the Gulag network included hundreds of labor camps that held anywhere from 2,000 to 10,000 people each.
Conditions at the Gulag were brutal: Prisoners could be required to work up to 14 hours a day, often in extreme weather.
Many died of starvation, disease or exhaustion—others were simply executed.
As to Lenin, whose ideology the BLACK LIVES MATTER controllers of “Corn Pop” Biden, the lying dog-faced pony soldier who thinks veterans like myself and countless others are “stupid bastards,” that from somebody who managed to avoid military service after coming down with asthma following his career as a college football player, embrace, after the Russian Revolution of 1917, Vladimir Lenin, founder of the Russian Communist Party, took control of the Soviet Union.
When Lenin died of a stroke in 1924, Joseph Stalin propelled his way to power and became dictator.
The Gulag was first established in 1919, and by 1921 the Gulag system had 84 camps.
But it wasn’t until Stalin’s rule that the prison population reached significant numbers.
From 1929 until Stalin’s death, the Gulag went through a period of rapid expansion.
Stalin viewed the camps as an efficient way to boost industrialization in the Soviet Union and access valuable natural resources such as timber, coal and other minerals.
Additionally, the Gulag became a destination for victims of Stalin’s Great Purge, a campaign to eliminate dissenting members of the Communist Party and anyone who challenged the leader.
So that is a good glimpse of the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped the worldview of the BLACK LIVES MATTER founders who are setting the political agenda of “Corn Pop: Biden, which takes us back to the New York Post article as follows:
“The first thing, I think, is that we actually do have an ideological frame.”
“Myself and Alicia in particular are trained organizers,” she said, referring to BLM co-founder Alicia Garza.
“We are trained Marxists.”
“We are super-versed on, sort of, ideological theories.”
While promoting her book “When They Call You a Terrorist: A Black Lives Matter Memoir” in 2018, Cullors described her introduction to and support for Marxist ideology.
She described to Democracy Now! how she became a trained organizer with the Labor/Community Strategy Center, which she called her “first political home” under the mentorship of Mann, its director, Breitbart reported.
The center, which describes its philosophy as “an urban experiment,” uses grassroots organization to “focus on Black and Latino communities with deep historical ties to the long history of anti-colonial, anti-imperialist, pro-communist resistance to the US empire,” according to the outlet.
It also expresses its appreciation for the work of the US Communist Party, “especially Black communists,” as well as its support for “the great work of the Black Panther Party, the American Indian Movement, Young Lords, Brown Berets, and the great revolutionary rainbow experiments of the 1970s,” Breitbart reported.
In 1968, Mann was a coordinator for Students for a Democratic Society, from which a more radical wing –- the Weather Underground — was splintered the following year.
It was led by Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn, who called for “direct action” over civil disobedience, seeking the overthrow of the US government.
In 1969, the FBI classified the group as a domestic terror organization.
Mann was eventually charged with assault and battery, disturbing the peace, damaging property, defacing a building and disturbing a public assembly, for which he spent 18 months behind bars.
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Is that the kind of ideology we want here in the United States of America?
If so, vote Democrat, and that is what you will get!
Sorin Varzaru says
“If we wanted some further proof of “Corn Pop” Biden’s endorsement of radicalism”
Biden? Radical? You completely lost your mind. That’s all I gotta say.
Paul Plante says
Sorin, how long have you been in this country now that you continue to have these cognition problems with our language over here?
Quite frankly, your comprehension level sucks, the proof of which is what you just posted, to wit:
“If we wanted some further proof of “Corn Pop” Biden’s endorsement of radicalism”
I didn’t say “Corn Pop” Biden is a radical, did I?
I said “endorsement of radicalism,” which is a different thing altogether.
You really should go take a course in English as a second language because you really need the help.
“Corn Pop” has embraced radicalism because he is pandering for votes.
Sorin Varzaru says
“I said “endorsement of radicalism,” which is a different thing altogether.”
It’s a distinction without merit. Trump endorces white supremacists. To me, he is a white supremacist.
Conversely, if Biden endorced radicalism, to me he’d be a radical. But he doesn’t and he isn’t.
Paul Plante says
As I said earlier, to you, as a European used to anarchy and chaos and political instability and fascist groups like the Iron Guard and the Legion of the Archangel Michael (Legiunea Arhanghelului Mihail), Joe Biden is a perfectly normal example of what you think a politician should be.
Ray Otton says
Not that it will change YOUR mind but maybe a few more folks will get to see just how unable you are to see facts right in front of you.
Every major liberal news outlet is featured interviewing Trump at some point, showing that he has openly denounced extremist behavior and even expressed his discontent with receiving votes from said extremists.
CNN’s Jake Tapper has said of Trump: “Elsewhere in those remarks the President did condemn neo-Nazis and white supremacists. So he’s not saying that the neo-Nazis and white supremacists are very fine people.”
Trump said on August 15, 2017: “I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists—because they should be condemned totally.”
Trump said Feb. 21, 2017: “The anti-Semitic threats targeting our Jewish community and community centers are horrible and are painful and a very sad reminder of the work that still must be done to root out hate and prejudice and evil.”
On April 11, 2017, the president said: “Recent threats targeting Jewish community centres and vandalism of Jewish cemeteries as well as last week’s shooting in Kansas City remind us that while we may be a nation divided on policies, we are a country that stands united in condemning hate and evil in all of its very ugly forms.”
And on August 11, 2018, he said: “The riots in Charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division… I condemn all types of racism and acts of violence.”
Reuters reported in August of 2019 that Trump had strongly responded to the mass shootings in Texas and Ohio that left 29 people dead. Trump stated that “these sinister ideologies must be defeated,” adding that “hate has no place in America. Hatred warps the mind, ravages the heart and devours the soul.”
This is but a sample, BTW. He’s actually made denunciations 17 separate times.
So what’s it going to take for you to admit that you were wrong…………………..again?
Because it appears you are more interested in your beliefs about the president than what he has actually said.
Sorin Varzaru says
President Trump told the Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.” on live TV. He’s either a total moron and despite watching hours of TV every day he still doesn’t know who the Proud Boys are, or he is a white supremacist supporter. In all fairness, I think he is way too self centered to be a white supremacist, because he ONLY cares about himself. He just likes the votes and support and doesn’t care where they are coming from. Sure, he walked it back later, probably after his staff told him that was a pretty bad idea.
Paul Plante says
Your problem, Sorin, is that our language is far too idiomatic for you to comprehend or understand the nuances, such as when you tell somebody like these Proud Boys to “stand down,” you are telling them to get the **** out of the way and let the police do their job, which is what I heard Trump say.
And what would be YOUR resolution to whoever these Proud Boys really are, Sorin?
Put them up against the wall and machine gun them like they do min the Old Country?
This is America, Sorin, and guess what?
You can’t do that **** here, even of your name is Donald Trump and you are a Republican!
And we’ve even got ourselves a Communist Party USA to balance out the Proud Boys, so how about that, now will you?
And here you are, wanting to exterminate the Proud Boys as if they were some type of vermin!
Reading through what is posted as the Communist Party USA Program https://cpusa.org/party_info/party-program/ it very much sounds like they are really Progressive Democrats and Democratic Socialists like AOC and Andy Cuomo and Charley “Chuck” Schumer, to wit:
The Road to Socialism USA is the Program of the Communist Party USA, adopted in 2005 and updated by our 100th Anniversary Convention in 2019 in Chicago.
It offers our view of the path from the struggles of the present all the way to socialism, a strategy of struggle, unity, reform, and revolution.
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Doesn’t that sound just like what you would expect to hear Communists saying, year after year after year – that same BULL**** about “the path from the struggles of the present all the way to socialism, a strategy of struggle, unity, reform, and revolution?”
I’ve been listening to that COMMIE HORSE CRAP since the fifties, Sorin, and year after year, it never changes, because if they don’t have an on-going struggle with somebody over something, no matter how picayune, they have nothing, because with them, and here think Fidel Castro, it is always about “THE REVOLUTION!”
And here they sound like you, Sorin, to wit:
All of humanity is faced with multiple, interlocking crises–in the economy, in our shared environment, in extreme weather disasters, in the growing danger of pandemics.
These crises expose the rampant income inequality, the disparate impacts of these crises on those facing exploitation and oppression, and, in the U.S. especially, the inhumane lack of health care for all.
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You yourself could have been the author of that, Sorin, and don’t it sound like what the Democrats themselves are saying?
I wouldn’t be surprised to hear “Corn Pop” Biden spouting that exact same stuff out o the campaign trail, and his running mate Karmela is already saying it.
Getting back to that Manifesto, we have:
These are crises of capitalism, an inhumane, exploitative, oppressive economic system of greed.
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And actually, Sorin, there they are dead wrong!
These are crises of our politicians in Washington, D.C.
Getting back to the Manifesto, we have:
Ultimately, to solve the challenges facing humanity, we need to replace capitalism with socialism, a system of cooperation, democracy, and equality.
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Pretty powerful stuff, isn’t it, Sorin?
Heady, in fact!
Let’s all get out there on the picket line and shut down capitalism and usher in the brave new world that socialism is going to provide us all with.
Except what about those who don’t want to see capitalism shut down by the Commies who talk a good game, but have a damn poor track record when it comes to making any of it happen.
And the laws of Yin and Yang being what they are, as a balance to the Commies who want to tear down our civilized society to replace it with a Socialist Worker’s Paradise, we now have the Proud Boys.
Go figure, Sorin, who’d a thought it!
Ray Otton says
Biden’s campaign web page states that his climate change policy is base on the New Green Deal which is about a radical as you can get, so yes, Biden is a radical.
As far as DJT being a white supremacist, these politicians and celebrities support him:
Alveda King
Candace Owens
Ben Carson
Mike Tyson
Diamond and Silk
Stacey Dash
Dennis Rodman
Jimmy McMillan
Pastor Mark Burns
Azaelia Banks
Terrell Owens
Herschel Walker
Shawne Merriman
Latrell Sprewell
Jim Brown
Kanye West
Tina Campbell
Sen. Mia Love
Sen. Will Hurd
Sen. Tim Scott
Plus anywhere from 18% to 30% of black voters depending on the poll.
So the question is, are they all delusional or are you?
Sorin Varzaru says
“As far as DJT being a white supremacist, these politicians and celebrities support him:
Alveda King
Candace Owens
Ben Carson
Mike Tyson
Diamond and Silk
Stacey Dash
Dennis Rodman
Jimmy McMillan
Pastor Mark Burns
Azaelia Banks
Terrell Owens
Herschel Walker
Shawne Merriman
Latrell Sprewell
Jim Brown
Kanye West
Tina Campbell
Sen. Mia Love
Sen. Will Hurd
Sen. Tim Scott
Plus anywhere from 18% to 30% of black voters depending on the poll.
So the question is, are they all delusional or are you?”
some are probably in denial. some have buyers remorse and pretend they got a good deal. some have other reasons they are ignoring djt’s inclinations.
Paul Plante says
And Sorin, I realize that as a European, your views on radicalism are markedly different than mine as an American.
Paul Plante says
So, is Joseph “Corn Pop” Biden a closet Marxist, adhering to the same Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped the worldview of his BLACK LIVES MATTER controllers and handlers, or is he more likely simply for them what is known as a “useful idiot,” a term attributed to Vladimir Lenin, which in political jargon is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause’s goals, and who is cynically used by the cause’s leaders, a term originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists like the Democrats in this country who were soft on Communism and thus regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation?
As to Lenin, the spiritual father of the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER who control and manipulate “Corn Pop” Biden like a finger puppet, and the kind of political repression we people with white skin in this country who have already been denounced by Hillary Clinton who stated publicly in April of 2016 that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them” can expect at the hands of BLACK LIVES MATTER if they gain political control of the executive branch of our national government through their control of “Corn Pop” Biden through his vice president, who is in reality their vice president, on August 11, 1918, in initiating what became known to history as the RED TERROR, Lenin, the spiritual father of the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER who control “Corn Pop” Biden, instructed the following action, which would be a part of their ideological heritage, to wit:
“Comrades!”
“The insurrection of five kulak districts should be pitilessly suppressed.”
“The interests of the whole revolution require this because ‘the last decisive battle’ with the kulaks is now under way everywhere.”
“An example must be demonstrated.”
“Hang (absolutely hang, in full view of the people) no fewer than one hundred known kulaks, filthy rich men, bloodsuckers.”
“Publish their names.”
“Seize all grain from them.”
“Designate hostages – in accordance with yesterday’s telegram.”
“Do it in such a fashion, that for hundreds of verst (a Russian unit of measurement) around the people see, tremble, know, shout: ‘strangling (is done) and will continue for the bloodsucking kulaks.'”
“Telegraph the receipt and the implementation.”
“Yours, Lenin.”
“P.S. Use your toughest people for this.”
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That, people, is the ideology of the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER, whose political agenda includes ending “white supremacy” forever, using the methodology of Lenin to accomplish their goal.
The first official announcement of a Red Terror, published in Izvestia, “Appeal to the Working Class” on 3 September 1918, called for the workers to “crush the hydra of counterrevolution with massive terror! … anyone who dares to spread the slightest rumor against the Soviet regime will be arrested immediately and sent to a concentration camp”.
There followed the decree “On Red Terror”, issued on 5 September 1918 by the Cheka, the All-Russian Extraordinary Commission, which was the first of a succession of Soviet secret-police organizations established on December 5, 1917 coming under the leadership of Felix Dzerzhinsky, a Polish aristocrat-turned-communist.
Understanding ideology is very important, people, when dealing with the Marxist-Leninist ideologies of the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER, which movement was just the subject of an article in THE HILL entitled “Hillary Clinton: ‘Black Lives Matter’ is ‘very profoundly a theological statement'” by John Bowden on 09/29/20, to wit:
Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton says in a new episode of her podcast that she views “Black Lives Matter,” the rallying cry used by thousands of protesters demanding changes in the way Black Americans are treated by police, as a “theological” statement.
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For those like myself who are not actually clear as to what message Hillary is trying to convey there, and to whom, because the statement smacks of the BIG-TIME weirdness we have come to expect from Hillary, who may no longer be playing with a full deck, if she ever was to begin with, “theological” means “relating to the study of theology,” and “theology” is further defined as the field of study and analysis that treats of God and of God’s attributes and relations to the universe; study of divine things or religious truth; divinity.
So is Hillary now telling us that the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER are themselves “divine,” which is to say “of, from, or like God or a god” as in “heroes with divine powers?”
Let’s go back to THE HILL to see what more we can glean, to wit:
In the episode released Tuesday featuring a conversation between Clinton and the Rev. William J. Barber, a supporter of the “Black Lives Matter” movement and co-chair of the Poor People’s Campaign, Clinton explained her thoughts on the phrase.
“When you think about the very concerted effort by one specific political party to basically own Christianity … it overlooks the role of the African American church, it overlooks, as you say, a lot of theology, a lot of history, it also overlooks this moment in time,” Clinton said.
“‘Black Lives Matter,’ I view as, you know, very profoundly a theological statement,” she added.
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The “very concerted effort by one specific political party to basically own Christianity?”
Seriously, people – how on earth can anyone who is sane and rational respond to that ridiculous statement other than by saying Hillary sounds like a certifiable crackpot with that stupid utterance, as if a political party here in the United States of America, where we have constitutional separation of church and state, could somehow own Christianity, which is defined as the religion based on the person and teachings of Jesus of Nazareth, or its beliefs and practices?
As to Hillary and BLACK LIVES MATTER, let’s go back to 2016 and an article in the Chicago Tribune entitled “Hillary Clinton isn’t afraid to say Black Lives Matter” by Dahleen Glanton on Jul. 27, 2016 where we had as follows:
The second day of Hillary Clinton’s Democratic National Convention could have been subtitled “Black Lives Matter.”
It was a carefully orchestrated strategy, designed to appeal to African-American constituents — the bread and butter of the Democratic Party’s base.
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So what kind of America are the Democrats trying to turn this nation into?
Are we with white skin to be considered as lesser citizens, second-class citizens, in the America the Democrats envision?
Think carefully, people, for the future is NOW!
Sorin Varzaru says
“So what kind of America are the Democrats trying to turn this nation into?”
Terrifying. A national healthcare program, some resemblance of sanity in how we deal with guns, social programs to address the issues that causes US to have the highest rate of incarceration in the civilized world, and some other equally egregious things.
“Are we with white skin to be considered as lesser citizens, second-class citizens, in the America the Democrats envision?”
Oh , give it a rest.
Paul Plante says
Give it a rest?
Not hardly, Sorin.
I’m an American citizen.
I was born here, I live here, I have fought and bled to defend our Constitution, so I am hardly likely now to start crawling and cringing on command from yourself.
Paul Plante says
So, Sorin, instead of playing silly little games with us in here, why don’t you simply answer this question, this in the light of ditzy Nancy Pelosi telling us that Donald Trump is trying to make America white, while the Democrats are trying to make America Black, to wit:
Are we with white skin to be considered as lesser citizens, second-class citizens, in the America the Democrats envision?
The evidence says of course we are.
But what is it you have to say about it?
Sorin Varzaru says
“Are we with white skin to be considered as lesser citizens, second-class citizens, in the America the Democrats envision?
The evidence says of course we are.
But what is it you have to say about it?”
I don’t see any evidence of that. In the America the Democrats I know envision, skin color doesn’t matter.
Paul Plante says
Then why have no Democrats ever stepped forward to tell Hillary Clinton, their queen mum, that she was chock full of dog **** back in 2016 when she said very publicly that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them?”
Why have no Democrats denounced that statement as being patently false?
And don’t give us that hog **** that Hillary was speaking for herself.
She was the Democrat presidential candidate when she made those statemenets, which as their figurehead, as her speaking for the PARTY.
So why the silence, Sorin?
Because that happens to be Democrat party policy, and Democrats don’t talk smack about the policy of the party or other Democrats?
Paul Plante says
And Sorin, I realize that you are what is known as a “conditioned” Democrat, which means you are totally unable to think clearly when someone challenges your Democrat ideology, but despite that, you seem nice, so let me help you out here by pointing out that my question “Are we with white skin to be considered as lesser citizens, second-class citizens, in the America the Democrats envision?” was really rhetorical, i.e., asked in order to produce an effect or to make a statement rather than to elicit information, so that it would instead read “In the America the Democrats envision, we with white skin are to be considered as lesser citizens, second-class citizens,” and the proof of that statement comes out of, among other things, highly discriminatory and incendiary remarks Hillary Clinton, the undisputed Queen of the Democrats, made at the Black Women’s Agenda 39th Annual Symposium in Washington, D.C. in 2016 as follows:
“If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
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There, Sorin, is how the Democrats view people with white skin here in America – as if we were sick and diseased – lesser citizens or second class citizens in need of community programs, i.e., Gulags or labor camps or detention centers, to cure us.
Sorin Varzaru says
“incendiary remarks Hillary Clinton, the undisputed Queen of the Democrats, made at the Black Women’s Agenda 39th Annual Symposium in Washington, D.C. in 2016 as follows:
“If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
So, this is the video of the remarks HC made at the event you mentioned.
https://www.c-span.org/video/?415284-1/hillary-clinton-addresses-black-womens-agenda-symposium
This is the transcript
https://votesmart.org/public-statement/1134944/remarks-on-trumps-bigotry-at-the-black-womens-agenda-symposium#.X3xwRmhKg2w
Nowhere in there HC said what you claim. This is the kind of “evidence” trumpers or …ahem … “independents” are using to prove democrats are bad. What a surprise
Paul Plante says
You’re a HOOT, Sorin!
You twist yourself into a literal pretzel clutching at any chimeric straw you can as you try to scrub history to protect the Democrats who failed utterly and completely to denounce the BULL**** Hillary was spewing to the Black folks about white people being racists because they have implicit biases.
And this is how the BLACK folks who were there heard her and reported on what she said:
BLACK CHRISTIAN NEWS NETWORK ONE
BCNN1 – Black Christian News Network / Black Church News BCNN1 – Black Christian News Network
“Hillary Clinton Tells St. Paul’s Baptist Church in Philadelphia White People Must End ‘Systemic Racism’”
April 22, 2016
In a visit to a black church Wednesday, Hillary Clinton told the predominately African-American audience that it is the “responsibility of white people” to end systemic racism and incorrectly stated a popular hip-hop phrase in saying we will “ride and die.”
Clinton was visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
The Mothers of the Movement consisted of mothers who had lost loved ones in police shootings.
The panel included the mother of Sandra Bland and the fiancee of Sean Bell.
The stated topics of the event were police brutality, mass incarceration, gun violence and racism.
“We have to be honest about systemic racism and particularly the responsibility of white people, not just people in public life but all of us,” Hillary said.
She later said at the event, “We all have implicit biases.”
“They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia.”
“And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.” Clinton added, “I don’t have the answers, I’m not a behavioral psychologist or anything, but I think that needs to be done in every community kind of setting we can find that is open to doing it.”
https://blackchristiannews.com/2016/04/hillary-clinton-tells-st-pauls-baptist-church-in-philadelphia-white-people-must-end-systemic-racism/
Paul Plante says
Here’s how the Cuomo News Network, a very Democrat news network had that same story, and by the way, Sorin, search as I might, no transcript for what she said can I find, other what has been printed in the news by the Black folks who were there and the people from the left-leaning Cuomo News Network, to wit:
“Hillary Clinton talks race: ‘We all have implicit biases'”
By Dan Merica, CNN
Updated 8:54 PM ET, Wed April 20, 2016
Story highlights
* Hillary Clinton discussed race, police brutality and gun violence in Philadelphia
* She said racial bias is something that has been part of our “DNA”
Philadelphia (CNN) Hillary Clinton bluntly assessed the state of race relations in the United States on Wednesday, telling a mostly African-American audience that racial bias is something that has been part of our “DNA going back probably millennia.”
“We all have implicit biases,” Clinton said at St. Paul’s Baptist Church.
“What we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.”
“Because today, most people believe that they don’t have those biases.”
Clinton, a candidate running to be the first person to succeed the first black president of the United States, has talked about race throughout her campaign, acknowledging what she regularly calls “deep seeded racism” that plagues the United States.
“We have to be honest about the systemic racism and that particularly is the responsibility of white people, not just people in public life, but all of us, who have to keep trying to put ourselves in the position of what goes through the minds and hearts of so many people in our country who know they aren’t getting a fair shake,” Clinton said.
“They are not being treated equally and we can’t assume that our experience is somehow enough to guide us.”
“We have to be open and listening and then responsive.”
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Now with respect to April of 2016 when Democrat presidential nominee Hillary Rodham Clinton was visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder, it was at that time reported in the news that she told them that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
What is interesting, and yes, Sorin, the internet can be scrubbed and is scrubbed, all reference to her saying that has disappeared, except for internet references to her saying those exact words in 2016.
So why have no Democrats stepped up to the plate to denounce this implicit bias BULL **** that Hillary, who has absolutely no credentials of any kind other than being a hack politician, was spewing back in April of 2016 when she was pandering for Black votes?
tokenny says
LMAO – little green men visit you last night too, Paul?
“What is interesting, and yes, Sorin, the internet can be scrubbed and is scrubbed, all reference to her saying that has disappeared, except for internet references to her saying those exact words in 2016.”
Nice try. They are copyrighted articles they wouldn’t be scrubbed. Admit it Paul, you made the statement up. LOL
Paul Plante says
Since I posted not one, but two separate articles from the internet detailing what Hillary said, tokenny, I’m hardly making something up, but you being a crackpot, you can’t do the math to figure that out!
If something never happened, tokenny, then why did CNN report about it?
Fake news?
Paul Plante says
And yes, tokenny, if you bothered to do some research before you ran your mouth and looked silly before the candid world all over again, spouting that crazy stuff about being visisited by little green men, by googling the search term “can news items be removed from the internet,” you would find that for someone with the clout of Hillary Clinton, and/or the Democrat party, it really is quite easy to make a news story from yesterday disappear today:
* How To Remove Negative News Articles From The Internet
reputationresolutions.com › remove-negative-news-article
* Remove information from Google – Search Console Help
support.google.com › webmasters › answer
As to there being quotes around the words “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” it is because in the original story, they were the words that Hillary said in April of 2016, and hence that is a direct quote.
Paul Plante says
Check your dates, Sorin – your transcript is dated Sept. 16, 2016 .
I am talking about Hillary speaking in April of 2016!
So nice try at obfuscation, pulling the old switcheroo like that to try and con people, and Sorin, by the way, that is the kind of “evidence” never-trumpers or …ahem … Democrats are using to try to prove independents are bad.
What a surprise!
tokenny says
No, you actually wrote this which was posted on OCTOBER 6, 2020 AT 9:49 AM: “…Black Women’s Agenda 39th Annual Symposium in Washington, D.C. in 2016 as follows:
“If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.””
Now you’re claiming she said it in April but that it magically disappeared from the Internet… and you claim to be an Independent. LOL You’re joining the long list of people who just make up shit.
Paul Plante says
Oh, I’m so sorry, tokenny!
My goodness, dude, I made a simple little human error, I am human, afterall, and there I have you all overwrought and stressed out and sick to your stomach with a severe case of angst, a feeling of deep anxiety or dread, typically an unfocused one about the human condition or the state of the world in general.
So let me help you out of your mental dilemma by taking you back to the Cape Charles Mirror @ MAY 1, 2019 AT 10:40 AM in the thread “Love and the Death: How Russiagate Killed the Media” posted April 28, 2019 by Wayne Creed, http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/love-and-the-death-how-russiagate-killed-the-media/#comment-144653, where we me saying, to wit:
With respect to her dislike and disdain for the American people, and her broad-brush smears of the American people, who Hillary despises, in a NEWSMAX article dated September 16, 2016 by Mark Swanson, we are told:
Hillary Clinton on Friday slammed Donald Trump for being the standard bearer of the Obama birther movement, telling the audience that “he is feeding into the worst impulses, the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country.”
Clinton made the remarks at the Black Women’s Agenda 39th Annual Symposium in Washington, D.C.
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“He is feeding into the worst impulses, the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country,” this from Hillary Clinton who stated publicly in April of 2016:
“If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
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Are you able to see what is written there, tokenny, this back in May of 2019?
I know for you it is difficult because you have to be able to hold two separate thoughts in your mind at the same time, what Hillary said at the Black Women’s Agenda 39th Annual Symposium in Washington, D.C., which was “He is feeding into the worst impulses, the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country,” and what Hillary Clinton stated publicly in April of 2016, which was “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” but give it a try, anyway, tokenny, maybe you’ll surprise yourself.
In any event, what happened, tokenny, is that I went back to that post, which by the way neither you nor Sorin ever objected to or contested, nor could you have, and I cut and pasted out that section, and my goodness, by doing so, I have gotten you terribly confused and I apologize for that, because I know how sensitive you are and I don’t like to hurt your feelings by confusing you.
What Hillary said about “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” was clearly in April, tokenny, and by saying otherwise, tokenny, you’re joining the long list of people who just make up ****, and shame on yourself for that.
And since I have retrieved that post for you, let’s read it through a bit further by way of background, which is relevant, to wit:
But of course, since she is Hillary, she is not feeding into the worst impulses, the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country, with that biased and highly prejudicial statement of hers as she panders for votes with it.
What crap say I.
In that same article, Hillary can be seen screeching as follows:
“For five years [Trump] has led the birther movement to delegitimize our first black president,” Clinton said in her speech.
“His campaign was founded on this outrageous lie.”
“There is no erasing it in history.”
“He is feeding into the worst impulses, the bigotry and bias that lurks in our country.”
“Barack Obama was born in America, plain and simple, and Donald Trump owes him and the American people an apology,” Clinton said.
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Why does Donald Trump owe the American people an apology because Barack Obama was born in the United States of America?
What kind of lunatic logic can possibly support that statement?
And why should Trump have to apologize to Obama because Obama was born in the United States of America?
That makes absolutely no sense, either, and it is a sign that it is Hillary Clinton’s mental health we really should be concerned about, although to be truthful, there is nothing that bars someone with a questionable grasp on reality from running for and serving as American president.
“Imagine someone who distorts the truth to fit a very narrow view of the world,” Clinton said.
And yes, I can certainly can.
In fact, her name is Hillary Clinton.
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Hopefully, tokenny, this clarification will cure you of your sick headache, and again, I’m so sorry I confused you, but it was not with malicious intent, let me assure you of that!
Paul Plante says
As to the Democrats, Sorin, and a picture being worth a thousand words, as that saying goes, click on the following link and you will be looking at the front of Albany City Hall in the Democrat-controlled sanctuary city of Albany in the Democrat-controlled state of New York:
https://www.timesunion.com/news/article/As-statues-tumble-relatives-of-Gen-Philip-15384999.php
Tell us why there is an intimidating BLACK LIVES MATTER banner on the front of Albany City Hall, which is supposed to be a public building where all skin colors should be welcome.
So what’s up with the BLACK LIVES MATTER banner, when one of that movements goals, in addition to disrupting our stable, law-abiding nuclear families, is ending what they call “white supremacy” forever?
As I say, Sorin, a picture is worth a thousand words, so what story is that picture telling us about the agenda of the Democrats and what kind of America they envision for people with white skin?
If we are all equal, then why is that banner flying above the entrance of Albany City Hall?
How are you going to spin this story?
Sorin Varzaru says
I am not going waste my time replying to you until I hear your reply to my comment that showed that Hillary Clinton said NONE of the things you claimed she did. You are simply inventing things and unlike you, I have a life, I can’t spend my time here refuting every one of your lies.
Connie Bundick says
You come to Our country and defend the clintons? Bless your heart.
Paul Plante says
HEH HEH HEH HEH HEH HO HO HO HO HO GUFFAW GUFFAW GUFFAW!
Good one, Sorin!
You’re a natural born comedian, Sorin, and that’s a fact!
MJM says
I have another question for you. it is of very local importance. There are 2 signs in the town of Accomac that direct early voters to Sawmill Park where early voting takes place. I have no problem with that. What I do have a problem with is that right next to these signs there are signs with democratic politicians names on them. Someone has erected signs, and is acting as an agent for the Accomac voter registrars office and is directing people to vote democratic. The property is privately owned and the signs were put up by private parties so the registrars office says they can do nothing. I don’t think it’s right, and I don’t think it should be legal. I don’t think anyone should be allowed to assume the role of agent for the registrars office and be allowed to direct voting this way.
I do not care who wants to vote for who, and i want all who want to vote, to vote. There ought to be a law against assuming the role for the voter registrars office. does the mirror or anyone reading know ?
Paul Plante says
So why in 1968 was Communism deemed THE major threat to OUR Nation?
And that answer really is quite simple!
To answer that question, of course, it is necessary to know two things, to wit:
* What really is Marxist-Leninist ideology based on; and
* What is the government of OUR Nation based on?
As we can see quite clearly from the above about the Red Terror, Marxist-Leninist ideology is based on what is known as “conflict theory,” which means in simple terms that if you are an adherent of Marxist-Leninist ideology, then you are always on the look-out for “enemies” to your class, even if you have to create them, which as we will shortly see, is what the Red Terror was all about.
As to what the government of OUR Nation is based on, let’s go to the National Constitution Center where we have as follows:
The Preamble
by Erwin Chemerinsky, Dean of Berkeley Law School; Jesse H. Choper Distinguished Professor of Law at the University of California – Berkley Law School; Michael Stokes Paulsen, Distinguished University Chair and Professor at University of St. Thomas School of Law
The Preamble of the U.S. Constitution — the document’s famous first fifty-two words — introduces everything that is to follow in the Constitution’s seven articles and twenty-seven amendments.
It proclaims who is adopting this Constitution: “We the People of the United States.”
It describes why it is being adopted — the purposes behind the enactment of America’s charter of government.
And it describes what is being adopted: “this Constitution” — a single authoritative written text to serve as fundamental law of the land.
Written constitutionalism was a distinctively American innovation, and one that the framing generation considered the new nation’s greatest contribution to the science of government.
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So, to be clear here, OUR nation happens to be We, The People, which includes not only white-skinned people and yellow-skinned people and red-skinned people and brown-skinned people, but Black-skinned people, as well, and the Constitution and its Preamble are law of the land to ALL of us, including people with Black skin.
Given that, as American citizens, regardless of skin color, we are not the enemies of other American citizens, and that is where the clash with Marxist-Leninist ideology comes into play, and why it was and still is THE major threat to OUR Nation – because the people who subscribe to that ideology need somebody to be their enemy.
Why?
Because the Marxist conflict theory they adhere to requires enemies.
And where BLACK LIVES MATTER has as one of its stated goals the ending of what they call “white supremacy,” in the end a stupid and meaningless term as is so much of the mindless horse crap and cant of Marxist-Leninist ideology, it is clear as crystal who they have chosen to be their enemies – all those with white skin, who Hillary Clinton has denounced as having some kind of mental disease called “implicit bias,” which requires them to need treatment, presumably in a Gulag, at hard labor.
Getting back to OUR Constitution, we have:
The word “preamble,” while accurate, does not quite capture the full importance of this provision.
“Preamble” might be taken — we think wrongly — to imply that these words are merely an opening rhetorical flourish or frill without meaningful effect.
To be sure, “preamble” usefully conveys the idea that this provision does not itself confer or delineate powers of government or rights of citizens.
Those are set forth in the substantive articles and amendments that follow in the main body of the Constitution’s text.
It was well understood at the time of enactment that preambles in legal documents were not themselves substantive provisions and thus should not be read to contradict, expand, or contract the document’s substantive terms.
But that does not mean the Constitution’s Preamble lacks its own legal force.
Quite the contrary, it is the provision of the document that declares the enactment of the provisions that follow.
Indeed, the Preamble has sometimes been termed the “Enacting Clause” of the Constitution, in that it declares the fact of adoption of the Constitution (once sufficient states had ratified it): “We the People of the United States . . . do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.”
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That applies to every single person in this nation, including the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER, so that when they start spouting their Marxist-Leninist ideology horse **** about ending “white supremacy” forever, they are actively repudiating OUR Constitution, as if it does not apply to them, and thus, they are making themselves domestic enemies of the people of the United States of America.
Continuing right along, we have:
Importantly, the Preamble declares who is enacting this Constitution — the people of “the United States.”
The document is the collective enactment of all U.S. citizens.
The Constitution is “owned” (so to speak) by the people, not by the government or any branch thereof.
We the People are the stewards of the U.S. Constitution and remain ultimately responsible for its continued existence and its faithful interpretation.
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We the people as stewards of the U.S. Constitution included the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER.
However, with their overt threat to end “white supremacy” in the United States of America forever, the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER are unilaterally declaring people with white skin outside the protection of the United States Constitution, which is to say, the goal of BLACK LIVES MATTER is to strip people in this country with skin that is white of equal protection under the law, which is a bedrock human right enshrined in OUR Constitution, as we see from the following:
“We the People of the United States” strongly supports the idea that the Constitution is one for a unified nation, rather than a treaty of separate sovereign states.
The idea of nationhood is then confirmed by the first reason recited in the Preamble for adopting the new Constitution — “to form a more perfect Union.”
The other purposes for adopting the Constitution, recited by the Preamble — to “establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity” — embody the aspirations that We the People have for our Constitution, and that were expected to flow from the substantive provisions that follow.
The stated goal is to create a government that will meet the needs of the people.
Finally, the Preamble declares that what the people have ordained and established is “this Constitution” — referring, obviously enough, to the written document that the Preamble introduces.
That language is repeated in the Supremacy Clause of Article VI, which declares that “this Constitution” shall be the supreme law for the entire nation.
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So why then would it not apply to the founders and followers and apologists of BLACK LIVES MATTER?
Paul Plante says
So, Sorin, please tell us, is Joseph “Corn Pop” Biden a closet Marxist, adhering to the same Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped the worldview of his BLACK LIVES MATTER controllers and handlers?
Or is he more likely simply for them what is known as a “useful idiot,” a term attributed to Vladimir Lenin, which in political jargon is a derogatory term for a person perceived as propagandizing for a cause without fully comprehending the cause’s goals, and who is cynically used by the cause’s leaders, a term originally used during the Cold War to describe non-communists like the Democrats in this country who were soft on Communism and thus regarded as susceptible to communist propaganda and manipulation?
What’s your vote?
Sorin Varzaru says
“What’s your vote?”
My vote is for Biden. I think he’s a decent guy for a politician. I don’t see an ounce of extremism in him.
Paul Plante says
He may be to you a decent guy for a politician, but to me, he is a buffoon, a moronic buffoon, and of course you don’t see an ounce of extremism in him, Sorin, because you are constitutionally unable to – everything I think is extremism that “Corn Pop” is embracing as he panders for the Black vote in this upcoming election is to you just business as usual – the way things are done in politics as you know politics having come of age in the foreign in so many ways land of Romania, where “Corn Pop” Biden would fit right in with those Iron Guard dudes in the Legion of the Archangel Michael.
Paul Plante says
So, are you going with the “useful idiot” category, then, Sorin?
If so, hey, guess what, give me a hug because we’s buddies, we’re on the same team because I think old “Corn Pop” is a useful idiot, too!
I think right after the inauguration, we’re going to see Karmela coming up to the podium to announce that she is now in charge because they just discovered old “Corn Pop’s” mind went on him and Karmela has to take charge because “Corn Pop” is sitting there in a chair drooling.
Paul Plante says
And while we are waiting for Sorin to tell us what meaning we should all take from that intimidating BLACK LIVES MATTER banner prominently posted on the front of City Hall in the Democrat-controlled city of Albany, New York, given that in a New York Post article entitled “Black Lives Matter co-founder describes herself as ‘trained Marxist’” by Yaron Steinbuch on June 25, 2020, BLACK LIVES MATTER co-founder Patrisse Cullors informed us in a newly surfaced video from 2015 that she and her fellow organizers are “trained Marxists” who spent years absorbing the Marxist-Leninist ideology that shaped her worldview, let’s go back to the Modern World History site on the RED TERROR to see what it takes to be a “class enemy” of those who hold to the Marxist-Leninist ideology derived from Marx’s conflict theory, to wit:
The Red Terror
Citation: C N Trueman “The Red Terror”
The Red Terror was carried out in post-revolutionary Russia by the Cheka headed by Felix Dzerzhinsky along with units of the Red Army.
The Red Terror started as a result of an attempt to kill Vladimir Lenin by Fanni Kaplin in August 1918 and the murder of the Cheka leader in St. Petersburg.
This failed assassination attempt on Lenin was used as a rationale for the secret police and the army to round up and deal with anyone suspected of counter-revolutionary activities.
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Pause here for a moment, and focus on the words “round up and deal with anyone suspected of counter-revolutionary activities,” which in our modern case would be all of us who don’t truckle and take the knee is submission to BLACK LIVES MATTER, which is something to think about, as we shall see by reading some further, to wit:
From his hospital bed Lenin instructed the Cheka to “prepare for terror”.
There was no obvious government body that could hold back the work of the Cheka.
Dzerzhinsky could simply explain the organisation’s work: for example the arrest and execution of 800 people in St. Petersburg in 1918 was explained away as those executed were ‘enemies of the state’ or ‘enemies of the revolution’.
Few were brave enough to argue with such an accusation in case they themselves were accused of the same crime.
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All of this is relevant, of course, because this is the ideology that the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER adhere to, so that when we look at the BLACK LIVES MATTER banner flying over the entrance to City Hall in Albany, New York, the message we are being sent is chilling indeed – don’t be caught out being an “enemy” of their revolution, or things won’t be going well for you, which takes us back to that history, as follows, for a demonstration as to what I am referring to when I say that:
None of the 800 was put on trial.
They were arrested and then shot.
Dzerzhinsky himself said that the Cheka operated on a 24 hour basis: those who were held were usually dealt with within 24 hours.
The Red Terror last from September 1918 to October 1918 though some believe that it actually lasted until the end of the Russian Civil War.
The work of the Cheka during the Red Terror received the support of Lenin who argued on its behalf that the people they were dealing with were trying to re-establish into power those who had abused and exploited others in pre-revolutionary Russia.
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This is the same Lenin who is a hero-worshipped by the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER, and by extension, their followers like the mayor of the sanctuary city of Albany, New York who has the BLACK LIVES MATTER banner flying over the entrances to City Hall in Albany, New York.
Getting back to the story, we have to wit:
Above all else Lenin wanted to keep what had been won during the months of 1917.
Therefore the Cheka was given effectively a free rein in Russia.
Someone’s occupation or the size/value of their house could be enough to seal their fate.
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And once again, take a pause to reflect on those words “Someone’s occupation or the size/value of their house could be enough to seal their fate” as we are told by BLACK LIVES MATTER that they are going to end “white supremacy” forever here in the United States of America, which takes us back to history, as follows:.
Given that the future USSR was in chaos in 1918 and that the work was done by the secret police, it is hard to find accurate figures of those who suffered during the Red Terror.
It is thought that between 10,000 to 15,000 people were summarily executed by the Cheka between September and October 1918 in areas under the formal control of the Bolsheviks – such figures were published in official journals and openly publicised.
As there were no public trials, such figures cannot be verified.
Lenin himself gave the order for the execution of 50,000 in the Crimea alone.
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And yes, that is the same Lenin whose ideology the founders of BLACK LIVES MATTER embrace.
So what is the message being sent to us when we see flying over the entrance of City Hall in Albany, New York a BLACK LIVES MATTER banner?
How about BEWARE what the future holds for those of us with skin that is white.
tokenny says
Paul, be a man and admit you made up the quote, it doesn’t exist and she never said it. I don’t care whether she said it or not I care that you are spewing BS and false hoods. Argue facts not BS
Hey, here is your Newmax article https://www.newsmax.com/t/newsmax/article/748656/75 and it’s not there. So you want us to believe that “Hillary Clinton (who) stated publicly in April of 2016:
“If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.””
You’re trying to have us believe she said that and it’s no longer on the internet. Poof, gone. Like, no one wrote it down or mentioned it in an article they wrote. Pure BS
Sorin Varzaru says
“You’re trying to have us believe she said that and it’s no longer on the internet. Poof, gone. Like, no one wrote it down or mentioned it in an article they wrote. Pure BS”
It took Paul 5 min to invent a quote, I spent 10 min to find the video, 20 min to listen to the recording to confirm the transcript, and then another 10 to reply. Sadly, I don’t have this kind of time to look into all the BS Paul is posting.
Nino Varzaru says
Then, Go on Home, your momma’s calling you….
Paul Plante says
HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HEE HO HO HO HO HA HA HA!
Sorin, you are such a card!
You’re too much!
That’s some great stuff you are putting out there!
Hilarious in the extreme!
Love reading your stuff for the laughter it provokes, because if there is anything that you can do to boost your immune system in the face of COVID, it is to laugh a lot!
And you’re able to say that stuff with a straight face!
Amazing!
Too bad Ed Sullivan isn’t around anymore – he’d of had you on his nationally syndicated show in a heartbeat, and you’d be in the big time riding high after that, alright!
Sorin Varzaru says
“And speaking of Jung and Freud in the same breath, you are an interesting case study, Sorin.”
Save your energy, I will not be replying to any of your comments ever again. There is only so much time I am willing to waste here.
Ray Otton says
Welcome to the club. 🙂
Sorin Varzaru says
“Welcome to the club.”
Never thought you and I will ever be in the same club. Life is full of surprises … 🙂
Paul Plante says
How does it feel to be a victim, Sorin?
Paul Plante says
Birds of a feather, they do flock together!
Paul Plante says
Okay.
Paul Plante says
You wasted by my count a total of forty minutes of your time, Sorin, 10 min first of all to find a video from September 2016 that has absolutely no relevance whatsoever to Hillary Clinton saying in April of 2016 “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” and then you foolishly spent another 20 min listening to a recording from September of 2016 that has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with Hillary Clinton saying in April of 2016 “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them” to confirm a transcript from September of 2016 that has nothing to do with Hillary Clinton saying in April of 2016 “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” and then you wasted another 10 to reply that by looking in all the wrong places, you couldn’t find anything about what Hillary said in April of 2016, because you were looking for what she said in September of 2016.
Seems like a silly waste of time to me, but hey, it’s your time to waste, so have it!
As to what Hillary did say in April of 2016, mindless crap and drivel that has never been denounced by any other Democrat, I think a good source would be the BLACK CHRISTIAN NEWS NETWORK ONE article “Hillary Clinton Tells St. Paul’s Baptist Church in Philadelphia White People Must End ‘Systemic Racism’” on April 22, 2016, where we had as follows:
In a visit to a black church Wednesday, Hillary Clinton told the predominately African-American audience that it is the “responsibility of white people” to end systemic racism and incorrectly stated a popular hip-hop phrase in saying we will “ride and die.”
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The responsibility of white people to end systemic racism?
Do tell, Sorin.
And where does Hillary Clinton get off spewing that crap, that “systemic racism” horse****, especially in the light of her having served as the secretary of state for a BLACK MAN named Hussein Obama?
Getting back to that story, we have further as follows:
Clinton was visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
“We have to be honest about systemic racism and particularly the responsibility of white people, not just people in public life but all of us,” Hillary said.
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If we’re going to be absolutely honest about “systemic racism,” and we all should be, then we have to say out loud that “systemic racism” is a total BULL**** term cooked up by pandering fools like Hillary Clinton who are trying to gull the Black folks into thinking people like Hillary are really not only their best friends, but wish they were Black too.
If we’re going be be honest about “systemic racism,” particularly us white people being smeared by Hillary Clinton here, not just people in public life but all of us, then we need to stand up and call out Hillary Clinton as a lying, dog-faced pony soldier in “Corn Pop” Biden’s terms, for spewing that “systemic racism” hog **** when it is a term made up by people like Hillary for political purposes.
Getting back to the statements made by Hillary Clinton in April of 2016 that were never challenged nor denounced by any other Democrat, including Sorin and tokenny, we have to wit:
She later said at the event, “We all have implicit biases.”
“They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia.”
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What patent hog ****, and it was met with total silence from the Democrats in terms of denouncing Hillary for peddling that crap, which takes us back to this revelation from that article, to wit:
“And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.” Clinton added, “I don’t have the answers, I’m not a behavioral psychologist or anything, but I think that needs to be done in every community kind of setting we can find that is open to doing it.”
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“I’m not a behavioral psychologist or anything,” says Hillary, who is nothing but an ignorant BULL***-spewing hack politician, but that doesn’t stop her from talking like she is one, does it?
And not a word from the Democrats calling her out for pretending she is something she clearly is not.
How come?
Paul Plante says
And speaking of Jung and Freud in the same breath, you are an interesting case study, Sorin.
Didn’t it seem to you at all illogical to be be wasting your time hunting through newspaper articles and videos and transcripts from September of 2016 for something you clearly knew Hillary said in April of 2016?
Paul Plante says
tokenny, whatever that material the inside of your head is made of, it is so dense it would dull a tungsten carbide tool bit in an instant.
What’s it made out that has it so dense?
Do you know?
Have you ever had it analyzed?
But how?
I bet x-rays would just bounce off it.
Anyway, tokenny, you’re a moron.
And to demonstrate to the at-home viewing audience how and why that it, let’s take them back to tkenny says @ July 2, 2018 at 1:41 pm:
Well look at that, Paul actually thinks implicit bias is real.
See, you can teach old dogs.
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So you can see, tokenny, that contrary to the horse crap you are spewing, you and I have been talking about Hillary Clinton saying in April of 2016, “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them” for several years now, and never once in that considerable span of time before this have you ever once challenged Hillary making that statement for the simple reason that you couldn’t challenge it.
And now look how you have spun on a dime, tokenny, trying to make us think that Hillary would never say in April of 2016 that “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” when she clearly did say it, and look at this crap you are trying to pull here, linking us to a Newsmax article from September of 2016 which has absolutely nothing to do with Hillary Clinton saying “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them” in April of 2016.
Doesn’t that make you feel pretty silly, tokenny, getting caught out in public like that trying to deceive not only the American people, but the people of the world, as well?
Paul Plante says
Cape Charles Mirror on July 19, 2016, tokenny: Opinion by PAUL PLANTE: Is Reckless and Inflammatory Hate Speech Fueling Violence? http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/opinion-by-paul-plante-is-reckless-and-inflammatory-hate-speech-is-fueling-violence/
As the candid world watches America being wracked by the recent cold-blooded murders of white police officers in Dallas, Texas and Baton Rouge, Louisiana for the “crime” of being white and in the uniform of a police officer, this in the wake of Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder in April of 2016 where she told them that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them” ….
National leadership, people, from the state where Hillary Clinton was U.S. senator.
And nine (9) months later, in April of 2016, we find Hillary Clinton herself bootstrapping off of that Cuomo press release from July 8, 2015 while visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder where she told them that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
If that is not irresponsible and reckless hate speech, then nothing ever will be.
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Paul Plante says @ July 19, 2016 at 11:14 pm:
Returning to the July 8, 2015 press release of Democrat New York State Governor Andy Cuomo entitled “Governor Cuomo Signs Executive Order Appointing NYS Attorney General as Special Prosecutor in Cases Where Law Enforcement Officers Are Involved in Deaths of Civilians” which predated by nine (9) months Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton’s visit to the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder in April of 2016 where she told them that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them” …
What Russell Simmons is talking about is doing away with citizen grand juries, because of Hillary Clinton’s premise that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
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Paul Plante says @ July 20, 2016 at 6:19 pm:
Again, that broad-brush smear of police all across America.
But when the person who will likely be at the top come January of 2017 to provide that intervention is telling us “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” what kind of reform and retraining throughout can we expect?
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Paul Plante says @ July 21, 2016 at 10:15 pm:
In other words, if you are a white person, according to Hillary Clinton and Eric Himpton Holder, Jr., you are a racist, but because it is in your unconscious, you probably don’t really know you are a racist.
That view is reinforced in these next three sentences from the Kirwan Institute For The Study of Race and Ethnicity which form the basis for Hillary Clinton’s ridiculous, but nonetheless reckless, inflammatory and very dangerous public statement that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them”:
In other words, according to that, Hillary Clinton’s “implicit bias” resides deep in the subconscious, and most importantly to this discussion, is not accessible through introspection.
Which is to say, since a person’s supposed “implicit biases” are not accessible through introspection, that person, or any person or ALL persons can never know they have them.
And if they reside deep in the subconscious, and are not accessible through introspection, then how can Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama and his chief civil rights advisor Al Sharpton and New York state governor Andy Cuomo, and Albany, New York mayor and Democrat Kathy Sheehan even know they exist?
And that answer is, they can’t!
But they don’t need to know they exist to say they do as they pander for votes, which equate to political power, because no one is going to challenge them in the main stream media.
Nor do they need proof they exist, for the same reason.
Hillary says “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” then that is that.
Hillary said it, so it has to be so.
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Paul Plante says @ July 24, 2016 at 6:08 pm:
If you scroll back up to the top post in this thread, you find Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder in April of 2016 where she told them that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
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Paul Plante says @ July 26, 2016 at 11:00 pm:
Getting back to the subject of this discussion, “Is Reckless and Inflammatory Hate Speech Fueling Violence,” because there is no “getting our nation back,” there is only going forward to wherever that next takes us, just as was the case in Rome when Julius Caesar and his legions crossed the Rubicon and brought on civil war and the end of the Roman Republic, in the CNN article “Bill Clinton spars with Black Lives Matter protesters” By Eric Bradner, April 8, 2016, just over three (3) months ago now, we were told:
Bill Clinton traded verbal shots in a feisty 15-minute exchange with Black Lives Matter protesters in Philadelphia on Thursday, as he defended his wife’s presidential bid.
The protesters shouted that “black youth are not super predators,” taking issue with a phrase then-first lady Hillary Clinton used in a 1996 speech about violent crime committed by young people.
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This was happening at the same venue where Democrat presidential candidate Hillary Rodham Clinton was visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder in April of 2016 where she told them that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
With respect to reckless and inflammatory hate speech fueling violence in this country, pay special attention to that last sentence – the person who may well will be our next president with responsibility for taking care that OUR laws are enforced was saying she was wrong in calling people “super predators” at the same political event where she said “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
The following day after Russell Wendell Simmons, Chairman and CEO of Rush Communications, demanded that former president Bill Clinton apologize to the hecklers who were disrupting his speech at Hillary’s political event where she told the world “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” we read in the New York Times article “Bill Clinton Says He Regrets Showdown With Black Lives Matter Protesters” by AMY CHOZICK, APRIL 8, 2016, as follows:
Former President Bill Clinton said Friday that he regretted drowning out the chants of black protesters at a rally in Philadelphia the day before, when he issued an aggressive defense of his administration’s impact on black families.
His reaction thrust a debate about the 1990s into the center of his wife’s presidential campaign, one that has focused heavily on issues of race and criminal justice.
“I know those young people yesterday were just trying to get good television,” Mr. Clinton said Friday of the Black Lives Matter protesters who had accused him and Hillary Clinton of supporting policies that devastated black communities.
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So, tokenny, don’t you feel pretty silly now saying something never happened when obviously, it did happen?
tokenny says
Paul, let me type this real slow so that your quickly calcifying brain might understand. You put a sentence in quotes and attributed to someone but you have failed to provide the source for said quote.
Words between quotes indicate that individuals actually said those exact words. Now, your problem is proving that she actually said those words which we know you can’t because she didn’t.
Using the same quote over a period of time doesn’t make it accurate, real or correct.
Paul Plante says
Accepting the inevitability of you being irascible and intransigent, tokenny, and pretending til the cows come home that Hillary Clinton would never say “(I)f someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” what I did, then, in response was to post not one, but two separate articles from April of 2016 quoting what you have to accept Hillary said in April of 2016, which was that if someone has white skin, Black people know they are racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure the white people of their racism.
As to what is reported, and this you have to both accept and explain, tokenny, why no Democrat ever challenged any of this patent HORSE**** about people with white skin being racists because of implicit bias Hillary was spewing to the Black folks in April of 2016, a bunch of mindless crap and drivel that has never been denounced by any other Democrat, I think a good source would be the BLACK CHRISTIAN NEWS NETWORK ONE article “Hillary Clinton Tells St. Paul’s Baptist Church in Philadelphia White People Must End ‘Systemic Racism’” on April 22, 2016, where we had as follows:
In a visit to a black church Wednesday, Hillary Clinton told the predominately African-American audience that it is the “responsibility of white people” to end systemic racism and incorrectly stated a popular hip-hop phrase in saying we will “ride and die.”
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The responsibility of white people to end systemic racism, tokenny?
Come again?
If we had systemic racism, tokenny, as mindless Hillary the Democrat Demagogue was spewing out to the Black folks in April of 2016, then Hussein Obama never would have been president, and Eric Himpton Holder, Jr. never would have been attorney general.
So where does Hillary Clinton get off spewing that crap, tokenny, that “systemic racism” horse****, especially in the light of her having served as the secretary of state for a BLACK MAN named Hussein Obama?
How will you spin that the people of not only America but the world all wonder and waited with bated breath to see!
Getting back to that story of what Hillary is reported to have said in April of 2016, we have further as follows:
Clinton was visiting the St. Paul’s Baptist Church along with “The Mothers of the Movement” and former U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder.
“We have to be honest about systemic racism and particularly the responsibility of white people, not just people in public life but all of us,” Hillary said.
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And yes, tokenny – I agree with Hillary 150% or even 200%!
We do have to be honest about “systemic racism,” tokenny, just as Hillary says, and if we’re going to be absolutely honest about “systemic racism,” and we all should be, then we have to say out loud, and this includes you, tokenny, that “systemic racism” is a total BULL**** term cooked up by pandering fools like Hillary Clinton who are trying to gull the Black folks into thinking people like Hillary are really not only their best friends, but wish they were Black too.
If we’re going be be honest about “systemic racism,” tokenny, and thanks for pointing this out to all of us, particularly us white people who are being smeared by Hillary Clinton here, not just people in public life but all of us, then we need to stand up and call out Hillary Clinton as a lying, dog-faced pony soldier in “Corn Pop” Biden’s terms, for spewing that “systemic racism” hog **** when it is a term made up by people like Hillary for political purposes.
Getting back to the statements made by Hillary Clinton in April of 2016 that were never challenged nor denounced by any other Democrat, including Sorin and yourself, tokenny, we have to wit:
She later said at the event, “We all have implicit biases.”
“They are almost in the DNA going back probably millennia.”
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What patent hog ****, tokenny, and not at all surprisingly, it was met with total silence from the Democrats in terms of denouncing Hillary for peddling that crap, precisely because Hillary was citing Democrat Dogma, which takes us back to this revelation from that article, to wit:
“And what we need to do is be more honest about that and surface them.” Clinton added, “I don’t have the answers, I’m not a behavioral psychologist or anything, but I think that needs to be done in every community kind of setting we can find that is open to doing it.”
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“I’m not a behavioral psychologist or anything,” says Hillary, who is nothing but an ignorant BULL***-spewing hack politician, but that doesn’t stop her from talking like she is one, does it?
And not a word from the Democrats calling her out for pretending she is something she clearly is not.
How come?
tokenny says
Interesting bit of logic there Paul. However:
1. If you think that I thoroughly go over your upchuck on words and thoughts you are mistaken
2. Just because I didn’t question you on your quote some years back. Doesn’t mean I believe it
3.In all of your rebuttals on this current “debate” you have failed to provide a source for the quote.
So the only conclusion one can come to is that you made up the quote. Your attempt to frame this as somehow I’m implicated in the veracity of this quote because I didn’t challenge it before is amusing.
So Paul, it’s come to the shut up or put up part of this little debate. Give us the source for the quote. There is no reason to respond to this comment without it and this topic dies, like all your others due to the lack of you actually answering or providing an answer to a direct question.
Like the others, Sorin and Ray ( damn, each day I’m finding I have more and more in common with him) I’m finding responding to anything from you is fruitless.
Paul Plante says
As an aside here (spoken sotto voce, in a quiet voice, as if not to be overheard, so as to not disturb the concentration of the serious players around the table here as they try out their poker faces on each other while studiously avoiding looking or glancing at the cards in their own hand, waiting for someone to fold, or to do anything for that matter), it is interesting how people like Sorin who are real deal rocket scientists when it comes to building computers are so ignorant at the same time as to how a free people would put those computers to work from a citizenship point of view, and that is because Sorin comes to us from a tradition of repression, not liberty.
So people standing for something is outside his ken, as that saying goes.
More to the point, like tokenny, Sorin seems to not understand that this conversation or discussion is not about him.
Nor is it about tokenny, although one would never know it from this what he posted above, to wit:.
Like the others, Sorin and Ray ( damn, each day I’m finding I have more and more in common with him) I’m finding responding to anything from you is fruitless.
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So how does one rationally respond to that, other then politely saying, “uh, sure, okay, whatever you say, you know best, afterall!”
Oh, and tokenny, have yourself a glorious day, but keep your head covered lest the sun bake out what few brains you might have left in your brain pan.
Paul Plante says
It means you couldn’t rebut it then, tokenny, is exactly what it means, and you are trying to rebut it now, since the source document is no longer coming up on an internet search regardless of how I term the search terms.
According to what no longer comes up on the internet with respect to Hillary being at the meeting in April of 2016 with the Black folks where she said “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them,” you would think the meeting itself never happened.
Scrubbed from history, just like that, tokenny!
Ray Otton says
“Like the others, Sorin and Ray ( damn, each day I’m finding I have more and more in common with him) I’m finding responding to anything from you is fruitless.”
Ackshully, I’m beginning to think Paul is a plant.
A naming coincidence? I think not.
I mean really, who could read the volume of incoherent drivel we get here from the Plante and NOT think it’s a troll?
Boys, it’s best to just skip responding because, as they say, “Never argue with an idiot, he’ll just drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.”
Now, let the experiencing BEGIN!!!!!!!!
Paul Plante says
Would you be at all surprised, Raymond, to, learn that Ackshully, nobody, starting with myself, really gives a damn as to what you might think about anything, because you don’t think, a fact made manifestly clear by this insane drivel that you have just posted above here based on some weird conspiracy theory that you share with tokenny about earth being visited by little green men who have inserted some kind of chip into your penis to control your thoughts.
Paul Plante says
Said another way, Raymond, your exaggerated sense of self-importance in here is quite monumental.
Your ability to self-aggrandize is actually quite amazing.
Are you self-taught?
Or is it natural ability?
Sorin Varzaru says
“Never argue with an idiot, he’ll just drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience.”
Ha, never heard that one before! Brilliant
Paul Plante says
Ackshully, Sorin, if you were be able to think for yourself, instead of having your thoughts controlled by that chip the little green men from out beyond Tau Ceti tokenny is on about implanted in your penis the same night they also abducted Raymond Otton and tokenny to implant chips in their penises as well, to control their thoughts along with yours, which is why you three are now in the same club together, you would notice that the saying “Never argue with an idiot, he’ll just drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience,” is really quite stupid.
Ray Otton says
Mr. Planter – “Would you be at all surprised, Raymond, to, learn that Ackshully, nobody, starting with myself, really gives a damn as to what you might think about anything, because you don’t think, a fact made manifestly clear by this insane drivel that you have just posted above here based on some weird conspiracy theory that you share with tokenny about earth being visited by little green men who have inserted some kind of chip into your penis to control your thoughts.”
Ray – WFT?
Mr. Planter – “Said another way, Raymond, your exaggerated sense of self-importance in here is quite monumental.
Your ability to self-aggrandize is actually quite amazing.
Are you self-taught?
Or is it natural ability?”
Ray – Pot, meet kettle.
Mr. Planter – “Ackshully, Sorin, if you were be able to think for yourself, instead of having your thoughts controlled by that chip the little green men from out beyond Tau Ceti tokenny is on about implanted in your penis the same night they also abducted Raymond Otton and tokenny to implant chips in their penises as well, to control their thoughts along with yours, which is why you three are now in the same club together, you would notice that the saying “Never argue with an idiot, he’ll just drag you down to his level and then beat you with experience,” is really quite stupid.”
Ray – Stupid is as stupid does.
And also, WFT?
Paul Plante says
Beats the heck out of me, Raymond, what that spew of gibberish is supposed to mean!
You’re the one who posted it, afterall!
Don’t you have a clue as to what you were trying to say?
From the work product you produced, it doesn’t look like you were either lucid or rational at the time you were typing out that spew of mindless gibberish above here.
Of course, I’ll admit that you could have been under the control of that chip the little green men from out beyond Tau Ceti implanted in your penis when they abducted you and tokenny and Sorin all at the same time as a part of some science experiment of theirs we don’t understand because we can’t think like an alien mind can think, so from their point of view, perhaps there is some kind of weird meaning to all that **** you posted, although if there is, I’ll be perfectly frank with you here, Raymond – it totally eludes me.
Paul Plante says
Cape Charles Mirror on October 29, 2017, tokenny; Paul Plante: On Social Justice in America Today
http://www.capecharlesmirror.com/news/paul-plante-on-social-justice-in-america-today/
Paul Plante says @ October 30, 2017 at 6:51 pm:
If you read about “social justice” on Wikipedia, you will find that there are a number of movements are working to achieve social justice in society and these movements are working towards the realization of a world where all members of a society, regardless of background or procedural justice, have basic human rights and equal access to the benefits of their society, which brings us to coercion, the practice of persuading someone to do something by using force or threats. and fascism, which is authoritarian government, for how else will these various movements force their vision and their will on anyone other than their own members?
And the answer is through totalitarianism, which is a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state, and authoritarianism, which is the enforcement or advocacy of strict obedience to authority at the expense of personal freedom, such as Hillary Clinton telling Black Lives Matter in a political gathering in Philadelphia on April 7th of last year that “If someone has white skin, they are a racist because of Implicit Bias, and we need community programs here in America to cure them.”
James Herbert says
‘How Crazy are the Democrats’…
just as crazy as ‘Sh!t-Housed-Rats’.
Publius Americanus says
Hmmmm, Paul Plante edifies, educates and informs whilst Otton and Varazu sneer, snarl and snark their way to a bright Soviet Future.
I know with whom I prefer to associate.
Ray Otton says
“Hmmmm, Paul Plante edifies, educates and informs whilst Otton and Varazu sneer, snarl and snark their way to a bright Soviet Future.
I know with whom I prefer to associate.”
Due respect sir, it’s time for you to take a second look. Have you read any of my comments over the past few years on the CCM?
I’m about as far from a Soviet proponent as you’re likely to ever meet and I dare say, based on your comments that we have a lot in common.
However.
I’d rather sit in Kelly’s pub with Sorin and Tokenny, discussing their boneheaded ideas ( sorry guys) than spend any time with the humorless, vitriolic, upstate NY denizen who daily inflects these pages with long, cut and paste diatribes against ANYONE who lands in his crosshairs.( watch for the next one featuring yours truly).
FWIW, he sounds more and more like Joe Biden every day, lost in a sea of jumbled up words that have little meaning and carry no weight.
That’s not snark, that’s a fact.
Sorin Varzaru says
“I’d rather sit in Kelly’s pub with Sorin and Tokenny, discussing their boneheaded ideas ( sorry guys) than.”
I’d totally be up for that if it wasn’t for the plague … Just not worth the risk for me.
Paul Plante says
YAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN!
Ray Otton says
Better to keep one’s mouth shut and have people think you are a fool than to open it and remove all doubt.
Paul Plante says
And Raymond, I can think of no one who needs to heed that message right now better than you!
Of course, cat’s out of the bag now in your case.
Oh, well – such it is when it is, Raymond so my advice is suck it up, Raymond, try to look at it in a positive light as a much-needed life lesson, in the end, that will make you feel better about yourself, if not all warm and squishy inside.
Ray Otton says
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And Raymond, I can think of no one who needs to heed that message right now better than you!
Of course, cat’s out of the bag now in your case.
Oh, well – such it is when it is, Raymond so my advice is suck it up, Raymond, try to look at it in a positive light as a much-needed life lesson, in the end, that will make you feel better about yourself, if not all warm and squishy inside.”
Heck of a retort, “I’m rubber, you’re glue, whatever you say bounces off me and sticks to you.”
I think I’ll look elsewhere for life lessons.
Paul Plante says
I would seriously hope you would, Raymond – God knows you are in some serious need of them.
I wish you luck.
At this stage, you are going to need a ton of it.
Ray Otton says
“I would seriously hope you would, Raymond – God knows you are in some serious need of them.
At this stage, you are going to need a ton of it.”
Yeah, this conversation is the perfect example of the old saying –
“Never play chess with a pigeon. The pigeon just knocks over all the pieces. shits on the board and then struts around like it won.”
Bye, bye, birdie.
Paul Plante says
Don’t I wish it, Raymond, but you keep coming back to knock over more pieces, then **** on the board and strut around like you won.
Publius Americanus says
Paul and I banged heads plenty. And Ray, you and I do agree often.
But to crap on someone because they are verbose, yet erudite is asinine. Don’t read it, that’s all.
I may not agree with what you have to say, but will defend with my life your right to say it.
That’s the America I grew up in.
Ray Otton says
The vast majority of times times I scroll past Paul’s useless comments. However, on occasion I exercise my 1A right by pointing out that Paul is verbose but certainly not erudite.
Erudite is an adjective that defines someone as having great knowledge; or learned; or scholarly.
Paul’s long, poorly constructed, grammatically weak, cut and paste passages are not clear, simple, writing. Simple writing presents a relevant idea and delivers it clearly and directly.
Like this.
Personally, I stopped discussing points with Paul a number of years ago because of the vitriol that pours from his keyboard when he finds himself up against someone who is his equal in knowledge but doesn’t see things the way he does.
I’ve also mentioned as of late, Paul’s passages are getting longer and his confrontational interactions with numerous other commenters is getting worse.
I suspect whatever ails Paul, physical or mental, is progressing and unfortunately, I did not stick to my pledge to not engage him………..but sometimes you just have to. I’ll call that a life lesson and let it end there.
Paul Plante says
People are praying for you, Raymond.
Paul Plante says
Raymond needs your prayers, people – he is one of us, afterall, so please, in his hour of need, don’t let him down!
It’s a tough time he is going through right now, the lights in his mind rapidly winking out one by one by one.
Sad, but it is so often the fate of the aged like Raymond, hence the need for our prayers, since there is nothing more for him that we can do, outside of speaking softly when we see him around, so that our voices don’t upset him and get him to raving and howling as he is so prone to do now in this late stage of his dementia.
Paul Plante says
We need to remember, people, in dealing with our Raymond, that as we are seeing here right before our eyes, and yes, it is quite sad, a person with Alzheimer’s may become suspicious of those around them, accusing others of improper behavior, and while these accusations can be hurtful, we have to remember that the disease is causing these behaviors and try not to take offense.
We need to remember that delusions (firmly held beliefs in things that are not real) may occur in middle- to late-stage Alzheimer’s.
This kind of suspicious delusion is sometimes referred to as paranoia.
Although not grounded in reality, the situation is very real to the person with dementia and it is up to those of us who are compassionate to keep in mind that a person with dementia is trying to make sense of his or her world with declining cognitive function.
As to how we should respond to Raymond, first of all, don’t take offense.
We need to listen to what is troubling the person, and try to understand that reality, and then be reassuring, and let the person know we care, and don’t argue or try to convince.
Instead, allow the individual to express ideas and acknowledge his opinions.
In responding, offer a simple answer.
Certainly, share your thoughts with the individual, but keep it simple.
Above all, don’t overwhelm the person with lengthy explanations or reasons because they simply cannot handle it.
And don’t forget the prayers!
Ray Otton says
“People are praying for you, Raymond.”
“Raymond needs your prayers, people………………..”
“We need to remember, people, in dealing……………..”
3 separate posts, guess I’m over the target.
Like I said, no further interactions.
Paul Plante says
Spoken in a low voice so as to not be overheard by Raymond (Soto Voce for those of you scripting this drama for summer stock) as we do not want him to get upset, there right above here, people, is a clear-cut case before us our Raymond, he is one of us, afterall, trying to make sense of his or her world with declining cognitive function.
As to how we should respond to Raymond, first of all, we don’t want to take any offense from what Raymond is posting; to the contrary, we really need to make a concerted effort to listen to what it is that is troubling Raymond, and then, and here is a huge challenge for those of us who are lucid and rational, we have to try to understand that reality confronting Raymond in the delusional world he resides in, and then we all have to be reassuring, and let Raymond know we care, and don’t argue or try to convince.
Instead, allow Raymond to express ideas and acknowledge his opinions.
In responding, offer Raymond a simple answer.
Certainly, share your thoughts with Raymond, but keep it simple.
Above all, don’t overwhelm him with lengthy explanations or reasons because he simply cannot handle it.
And don’t forget the prayers!
Above all, don’t forget the prayers!
Raymond, dude, if you are still capable of hearing the sound of my voice, take comfort in the fact that you are not alone!
Paul Plante says
As to the pathetic and hysterical Democrat BULL**** storm coming out of Karmela Harris and “Corn Pop” Biden concerning the hearings for the Supreme Court Justice, the United States Constitution in section 2 of Article II states thusly in language a high school-educated person can readily understand, as follows:
… and he shall nominate, and by and with the Advice and Consent of the Senate, shall appoint … Judges of the supreme Court …
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There is nothing in there about presidential elections having any bearing on the nomination of a Supreme Court Justice, nor should it have any bearing, which brings us to the blithering idiot “Corn Pop” Biden on the news today going on about why is Trump rushing the nomination, which is a very stupid, Biden-esque statement because there is no time frame given in the Constitution that says a president has to wait for so many days, weeks, months or years before nominating a Supreme Court Justice to fill a vacancy.
In fact, time is of the essence, and the seat should be filled as promptly as possible, which is exactly what Trump is doing.
And the fact that people may already be voting for president in early voting similarly has no relevance at all, because the people aren’t voting for the Supreme Court Justice; the Senators are, and the fact that people are voting for president has no bearing at all on the Senate conformation hearings, so “Corn Pop” and Karmela – STOP THE ***-DAMN BULL****!
We’re sick of it!
Paul Plante says
To see just how bat-**** crazy Joseph “Corn Pop” Biden is, or more properly, how mentally unstable and dangerously so, unhinged, detached from the reality inhabited by the rest of us here in the United States of America who don’t cleave to the Democrat standard, nor bend the knee in submission to the Democrat party, let’s jump back to an article in The Daily Wire titled “Joe Biden Calls Trump Supporters ‘Virulent People,’ The ‘Dregs Of Society'” by Joseph Curl on September 17, 2018, where we were treated to the following outburst from “Corn Pop,” to wit:
Joe Biden just had his “deplorables” moment.
Biden, who says he’ll decided in January whether to run for president in 2020 but who is making all the moves of a presidential candidate, used a pro-LGBT Human Rights Campaign annual dinner on Saturday to rip President Trump.
And in so doing, Biden had a moment reminiscent of Hillary Clinton, when she called Trump supporters “deplorables.”
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Here we are with that same divisive Democrat horse **** in 2018 that we were getting in 2016 from Democrat Queen Hillary Rodham Clinton, because this divisive horse**** is really all the Democrats have to offer – a “Democrats against the world” mentality that is no good for America.
Getting back to that article, and how “Corn Pop” raves like a maniac, we have:
Biden did his old act, starting off soft and avuncular before booming through his power points, punching the air and flailing about.
“Despite losing in the courts, and in the court of opinion, these forces of intolerance remain determined to undermine and roll back the progress you all have made,” he said.
“This time they — not you — have an ally in the White House.”
“This time they have an ally.”
“They’re a small percentage of the American people — virulent people, some of them the dregs of society.”
“And instead of using the full might of the executive branch to secure justice, dignity, safety for all, the president uses the White House as the literal — literal — bully pulpit, callously — callously — exerting his power over those who have little or none.”
Biden got himself lathered up into a full froth as he waxed poetic about his and “Barack’s” thoughts on Trump.
“Barack and I agreed to remain silent for a while to give this administration the chance to get up and running in the first year,” Biden said.
“God forgive me,” he added, making the sign of the cross as the audience applauded.
“Those who try to excuse this kind of prejudice in the name of culture, I say, ‘Prejudice is prejudice and humanity is humanity — it is a crime,'” Biden said, urging those in the room to continue to oppose Trump.
“Our work is not yet done by any stretch of the imagination.”
“The stakes are much too high.”
And then he went even further. “This is deadly earnest, we are in a fight for America’s soul,” Biden said.
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And there it is, people – there is what we are facing come November – nothing less than a final determination as to who is going to win the fight for America’s soul.
Think about that for a moment, people – that is just how serious things really are here, with the very soul of America at stake, which takes us to the Washington Post article “Former vice president Joe Biden jumps into White House race” by Michael Scherer and John Wagner on 25 April 2019, where we have more delirious raving from “Corn Pop” as follows:
Former vice president Joe Biden opened his third campaign for the presidency on Thursday, taking direct aim at President Trump and declaring that “we are in the battle for the soul of this nation.”
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Yes, people – this is not a presidential contest – this is a religious campaign, a literal crusade by “Corn Pop” Biden to save not only the soul of America, but us, as well, and we should be thankful “Corn Pop” Biden loves us enough to take the time to do all of that on our behalf, because God knows, in a fight for the soul of America, we need an outstanding commandante, and that is “Corn Pop” Biden.
Getting back to the raving of “Corn Pop” Biden in the Washington Post, we have:
In a video posted on social media, Biden recounted the deadly clash between white supremacists and counterprotesters at a 2017 gathering in Charlottesville, after which Trump said there were “some very fine people on both sides.”
“In that moment, I knew the threat to this nation was unlike any I had seen in our lifetime,” Biden said, adding: “The core values of this nation — our standing in the world, our very democracy, everything that has made America America — is at stake.”
“That’s why today I’m announcing my candidacy for president of the United States.”
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And how much more clear than that could “Corn Pop” have made it!
Getting back to the raving:
A Democratic force for nearly five decades, Biden built his career as a campaigner on his connection with working-class voters, including white voters he has sometimes called “the ethnic vote” — Midwestern Irish, Italian and Polish Catholics, or South Florida Jews.
His campaign style tends toward the populism of Franklin Roosevelt, railing against those with money and power who he claims work against the needs of middle-class Americans.
“They don’t understand us middle-class folks,” Biden thundered repeatedly from the stump in 2012, when he was campaigning against then-Republican nominee Mitt Romney.
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Middle-class folks?
“Corn Pop” Biden?
That lying dog-faced pony soldier!
Not hardly!
According to a 2019 Forbes estimate, Biden and his wife Jill are worth $9 million, much of that accrued from speaking fees and book deals that came pouring in after his vice presidency.
About $4 million of that worth is in his real estate.
So much for “Corn Pop” and his fight for the soul of America!