Reader submitted content. Article is from Kerry McDonald’s homeschool blog.
Private and hybrid online learning providers are expanding their reach and hybrid homeschooling programs continue to grow in rural and metropolitan areas.
In Indiana this week, two private, virtual learning providers were granted permission by the state’s board of education to operate in the state. These two providers will be Indiana’s first private, online schools and will be able to participate in the state’s school voucher program which allows taxpayer-funding of education to follow students instead of being funneled into government school systems.
“In total, 13 states have created five new programs and expanded 13 existing programs,” EdChoice’s Mike McShane wrote recently at Forbes.com. “Hundreds of thousands of families across the country will become eligible to participate in the next year or two, offering new opportunities that previously were financially out of their reach.”
McShane is also an expert on hybrid homeschooling models, which were growing in popularity prior to the coronavirus and are attracting many more families today. McShane recently published a new book on hybrid homeschooling, which he considers to be the future of education.
Hybrid homeschooling programs typically involve part-time, full-day attendance a few days a week at a brick-and-mortar building, with teachers working through a curriculum with students. The remaining days are spent at home, with parents helping to facilitate the curriculum and keep kids on track. Most hybrid homeschooling models are private, although there are examples of public charter schools, such as Da Vinci Connect in Los Angeles, that follow this approach.
In Massachusetts, a private hybrid homeschool program named Grace Preparatory Academy opened in 2012. It is religiously-focused and emerged from a parent homeschool co-op. Students attend the academy two full days a week with teachers and learn at home with their parents for the remaining days. Annual tuition is $3,900 per student with financial aid available, and represents a tiny fraction of the average tuition cost for other private school options in the state. Grace Prep saw their enrollment spike during the 2020/2021 academic year and the upcoming fall looks to be just as busy.
These hybrid homeschooling models, along with the “pandemic pods” that took root over the past year, create even more affordable learning options for families. A group of parents can get together to create a hybrid homeschool program or a learning pod that reflects their distinct educational philosophy and curriculum approach. They can rent a space in their community or take turns running a program out of participants’ homes. These hybrid programs could develop into a full-time, accredited school or remain a flexible, part-time option. The possibilities of hybrid homeschooling have been considerably broadened over the past year, helping more families to find a customized education environment for their children.
Whether it’s private, virtual schools that are entering new markets or hybrid homeschooling programs that continue to grow and adapt, the avalanche of education change sparked over the past year shows no signs of slowing.
CC Progressive says
If the Pandemic has taught us anything it is that traditional schools and traditional School teachers are no longer necessary. Homeschooling has become the way of the future along with distance learning.
Portland and Seattle have shown that socialization is a thing of the past. If you want it come and get it. But you better hurry cause it’s going fast. You don’t need classroom training to learn that.
The Teachers Union is not necessary because teachers are not necessary. Why pay union dues?
Parents will lead the way.
Stuart Bell says
Trump Won!
Fauci Lied!!!
Paul Plante says
Stuart, you seem very convinced that Trump won something, because you say it over and over fervently like somebody who is a true believer in what he believes in, which in this case is you believing that Trump won something, like a beauty contest or a golf game against Tiger Woods or that left-handed dude who is said to be pretty good at swinging a golf club, although maybe not as good as Trump, because really, who possibly could be?
What do you think it was that he won?
And when?
As to Fauci, he is a non-issue in the large scheme of things.
Stuart Bell says
Not one court has heard any evidence and ruled that Obiden legally won. They put their fingers in their ears and closed their eyes. I will repeat whatever I like, whenever I want and there is not a damn thing you can do about. You would be better off tring to piss up a rope. I stopped replying to you for the last five years after your blatant disrespect. I have taken up for you in that time as you are a Vet. It will be another five before I do this again. As opposed to replying, go take care of you disability.
Paul Plante says
HUH?
Believe what you want, Stuart, it makes not one bit of difference to me what you believe and if you want to appear a ****** idiot in public pushing this line that Trump, a big ******* moron, won the presidential election, be my guest.
And here is a riddle for you that is now circulating all across America that you might enjoy:
Q: What weighs at least a thousand pounds, is a big as a house, wears red, is stupid, and believes Trump won the presidential election?
A: Elise Stefanik
You hook up with her, Stuart, and you got a team, and if you can rope in some other dullards and morons who believe that ripe as well, you will have a movement, and when you have a movement, why all kinds of wondrous things could then happen, like Joe Biden realizing that Trump really won, so he would vacate the office for Trump to take over.
Publius Americanus says
Paul, if we should never mention again the FACT that the election was stolen; as predicted by Pelosi and Biden, thern you can never again mention your travails with NYS and the Feds in re your position as engineer.
See, truth matters. Yours, Stuarts, mine etc…
Should we never investigate murders?After all, the deal is done, the dude is dead. Can’t change it, so why bother?
Paul, you know better.
Blue Hoss says
https://nypost.com/2021/06/13/christopher-sign-alabama-news-anchor-who-broke-clinton-tarmac-story-dead-at-45/
Ray Otton says
This, times one million.
Paul Plante says
I really don’t give a damn how often you mention it, as if you had a shred of evidence that it was so, and I would encourage you to do like Stuart and each day in every thread, at least once, if not more often, post this message to the world:
TRUMP WON!
See, I even did it for you.
As to winning and stolen elections, Nixon really won, but Kennedy stole the election and was president, anyway.
And if “truth” matters, which it no longer does, but I’ll play the silly little game and pretend it does, how come so many different versions?
And Publius, I am an AMERICAN.
I don’t wish to live in some third-world ****hole where who is to be the president is the choice of some judges.
And if truth matters, then the truth is that courts don’t involve themselves in determining the outcome of presidential elections, which I learned by fifth grade.
But it’s America and you and Stuart can have your own version of history to cling to:
TRUMP WON!
TRUMP WON!
TRUMP WON!
Paul Plante says
As to Pelosi stating on 3 January 2021 that on 6 January 2021, three days before the sealed boxes were to be opened, that Joe Biden was going to be the declared winner, which meant she knew what was in the sealed boxes, even though they were supposed to be sealed, you know, like Christmas packages that say don’t open before Christmas, that fact I readily accept and have made mention of it several times, and you know what?
NOBODY GIVES A ****!
Paul Plante says
According to NEWSWEEK, and this is high school history, no “secret” or tin-hat conspiracy theory, Earl Mazo, a Washington reporter for the New York Herald Tribune, began his investigation after he said Chicago reporters were “chastising” him and other national reporters for missing the real story.
He traveled to Chicago, obtained a list of voters in the suspicious precincts, and began matching names with addresses.
Mazo told The Washington Post:
“There was a cemetery where the names on the tombstones were registered and voted.”
“I remember a house.”
“It was completely gutted.”
“There was nobody there.”
“But there were 56 votes for [John F.] Kennedy in that house.”
Mazo also found that Chicago Mayor Richard Daley’s charge that other counties were doing the same thing in favor of Republicans proved to be true — but nothing on the scale of what happened in Chicago.
In Texas, Mazo found similar circumstances.
The New York Herald Tribune planned a 12-part series on the election fraud.
Four of the stories had been published and were republished in newspapers across the country in mid-December.
At Richard Nixon’s request, Mazo met him at the vice president’s Senate office, where Nixon told him to back off, saying, “Our country cannot afford the agony of a constitutional crisis” in the midst of the Cold War.
Mazo didn’t back off, and Nixon called his editors.
The newspaper did not run the rest of the series.
“I know I was terribly disappointed.”
“I envisioned the Pulitzer Prize,” Mazo said.
The entire matter wasn’t void of accountability.
Illinois state special prosecutor Morris Wexler, named to investigate charges of election fraud in Chicago, indicted 677 election officials, but couldn’t nail down convictions with state Judge John Karns.
It wasn’t until 1962, when an election worker confessed to witness tampering in Chicago’s 28th Ward, that three precinct workers pleaded guilty and served jail sentences.
Pulitzer-winning journalist Seymour Hersh reported hearing tapes of FBI wiretaps about potential election fraud.
Hersh — whose books indicate he is a fan of neither Kennedy nor Nixon — believed Nixon was the rightful winner.
Paul Plante says
Stuart Bell says @ JUNE 8, 2021 AT 12:29 PM: Not one court has heard any evidence and ruled that Obiden legally won.
They put their fingers in their ears and closed their eyes.
I will repeat whatever I like, whenever I want and there is not a damn thing you can do about.
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That, Publius, is STUPID TALK, when Stuart says “(N)ot one court has heard any evidence and ruled that Obiden legally won.”
It’s pretty obvious from that, that Stuart and I live in very different countries.
I happen to live in the United States of America, a nation whose military I served in, and I’ve been an American citizen for over 70 years, and not only never before in my life have I heard of any legal requirement in the United States of America for a court to have to hear evidence that someone legally won an election before they could legally be declared the winner, but I have never heard of it being done.
But obviously, in whatever country Stuart happens to actually live in, which has to be somewhere else than America, since in his country, it is the courts who decide who his leader is going to be, that is the way his people do things, and so be it.
I’m not going to his country, wherever on earth it might be, and agitating that they change how they do things, since people in different countries do have different cultural and tribal systems, which they are welcome to, but at the same time, I am not welcoming his foreign nation’s political practices coming here.
He wants to live in a foreign country, I’m fine with that, Publius, but I’m hardly fine with him coming here and trying to impose his foreign country’s ways on me, anymore than I am fine with that hate-filled little sack of pus from Somalia Ilhan Omar coming here from the terrorist camps she crawled out of to impose her Somalian political views on me, or Sorin trying to impose Rumanian ideas on me as to how things should be here, because that is the way things are done in the old country where he came from.
Call me whatever pejoratives you want, and come wave your bayonet in my face, but I’m not changing my views because somebody threatens me with political violence.
That’s what an AMERICAN does – they stand for something and don’t run when the terrorists come dispensing power from the muzzle of their guns.
Paul Plante says
And I haven’t talked about my travails with the corrupt NYS and federal governments as a PUBLIC SERVANT on behalf of the people in some time because nobody gives a flying **** that they in fact live in a corrupt ****hole as corrupt as any to be found anywhere in Africa or South America or Haiti, and in fact, seem to actually prefer living in a corrupt ****hole, and get pretty ugly and vicious when somebody threatens to try and clean it up.
Since it’s a democracy and majority rules, so be it.
I’m not wasting any breath trying to change their minds.
Ray Otton says
Let’s unpack this shall we?
1 – “And I haven’t talked about my travails with the corrupt NYS and federal governments as a PUBLIC SERVANT on behalf of the people in some time.”
Double the Aricept, Paul ‘cuz you talk about the it every day.
2 – “I’m not wasting any breath trying to change their minds.”
If only this were true. The reality is you lash out at anyone and everyone who doesn’t agree with you on any subject.
3 – “I will repeat whatever I like, whenever I want and there is not a damn thing you can do about.”
You can shout it to the moon for all we care but here on the CCM you, as well as the rest of us commenters, are able to post because Mr. Creed allows it.
You should take a moment to thank him for being as lenient as he is ‘cuz your posts are dreary, repetitive rants that in no way advance the conversation.
I don’t know for sure, but to his credit it may simply be he feels sorry for you.
The rest of us do not.
Stuart Bell says
5 or so years ago he had the nerve to accost me. So I did some research online. If you google his name with Viet Nam Vet, Disabled, New York…you will see him. The sites showed a simularity of interest he has in New York State politics. In any event, I have defended him as he is a Vet, but let us face facts. He is not ‘right’, a few bricks shy of a load, his elevator does not go all the way to the top, ect. So I was told one time that humans can stand to be ignored. Try it. I have used it in the workplace many times. They will bend over and do cartwheels to get you to pay attention to them. He is no different.
Humans are’t that bright as it is, look at how they are worshiping colored folks and dogs, these days.
Paul Plante says
Yes, everybody, Stuart believes that some 5 or so years ago I had the nerve to accost him in the parking lot of the Food Lion, even though I have never been in the parking lot of the Food Lion, ever, and apparently, after Stuart got up from where he was sprawled out on the pavement by a good set of well-thrown punches by a disabled veteran he was mocking, so he did some research online by googling mys name with Viet Nam Vet, Disabled, New York … and what you will see is as follows:
NEWSDAY
New York VA center one of slowest to process veterans …https://www.newsday.com › News › Health
Apr 29, 2013 — The New York-area center that processes veterans’ disability claims is … Vietnam War veteran Paul Plante of Huntington poses for a portrait at ..
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/new-york-va-center-one-of-slowest-to-process-veterans-claims-1.5165026
That’s the guy who knocked Stuart on his *** in the Food Lion parking lot for mocking him, and apparently he has the same name as me, so Stuart thinks that it was me who dropped him on his *** in the Food Lion parking lot, which is a case of me taking false credit for something I didn’t do.
But my hat is off to that other Paul Plante for doing what had to be done to teach Stuart Bell a much-needed lesson about getting lippy and mocking disabled veterans, because they are disabled.
Publius Americanus says
Paul, laches and standing do not a Court case make.
No court ever heard the evidence Paul because they hid behind procedural horse poop.
Your pablum about no court plays a role in an election?2000 would like to talk to you and explain Bush v Gore.
Because the Founders couldn’t imagine allowing a Varazu into America, some horribly unethical actions, ones inimical to the continued existence and prosperity of America were not memorialized, the corrective actions not enumerated in the Constitution.
BUT, prove the fraud(Philly precincts with a non Federal elections turnout record of nom higher than %24 somehow turned out %111, 117, and 125+ turn outs for Biden) and then the States can use the 10th amendment to forestall the damage done by the Left.
Or, you can rant and do nothing.
Finally, in re :versions of truth. No, Paul I did not say that each of us has our own version of truth-You have your (truthful)story about your travails.
I have my stories, and I know their truth.
And Ray wishes to keep the truth of the stolen 2020 election(TRUMP WON!!) out there.
Paul Plante says
Raymond, from me to you with all sincerity – go and fornicate yourself!
I don’t care what you think!
I don’t care what you say!
I don’t care what your friends think!
I make it a point to avoid you, especially when you have your cargo pockets pant on, and your hand down in your pocket fondling your gun that you have to carry in the cargo pocket.
I don’t care whether you read a word I post, because I don’t post things for you and your friends.
I understand that you have this psychological need to be the BIG MAN who is always right, which is why you carry a gun, but guns don’t intimidate me, Raymond, and you certainly don’t, because without your gun, Raymond, you’re nothing.
And you are too ******* stupid to realize that I’m writing contemporary American history in here, so I won’t try to explain the concept while this publication is called The Cape Charles Mirror, it is not only for those who live in Cape Charles.
You obviously don’t understand the concept of WORLD WIDE WEB and what that means for publications like the Cape Charles Mirror that are a part of the WORLD WIDE WEB in terms of audience, so I won’t waste wind on that, as well, other than to point out the obvious: I WRITE FOR THE WORLD-WIDE WEB THROUGH THE AGENCY OF THE CAPE CHARLES MIRROR!
You don’t like it, don’t read it!
And I wonder why every time I look behind me, there you are trying to smell my ***?
Sorin Varzaru says
By definition, 50% of people have below average intelligence. So, assuming the interest in home schooling is uniformly distributed among people of any intelligence, half of the parents involved in homeschooling will be of below average intelligence. So, even if the “dumb gene” skipped a generation and the kids are smart, half of them will be schooled by morons. What can possibly go wrong…
Note: Talk about below average. That’s not how any of this works, maybe ask people that have actually homeschooled their kids. Take this as an opportunity to homeschool yourself on the subject. I am leaving your spelling errors intact.
Paul Plante says
Reminds me of the time when somebody said to me, “don’t you know that those who represent themselves in court have a fool for a client,” to which I calmly replied, “I’d rather have the fool for the client than the fool for the lawyer.”
Using your reasoning, Sorin, and it is so nice to see you back, by the way, half the teachers one is going to encounter on the journey through school, especially if one does go on to college and law school, especially, by definition, since 50% of people have below average intelligence, half of the teachers involved in schooling will be of below average intelligence, so that even if the “dumb gene” skipped a generation and the kids are smart, half of them will be schooled by morons.
As to what can possibly go wrong, because of that, I would merely respond, look around and see where we are now, as a result of having lazy, ignorant people teaching our children in this country, and I’m not talking about homeschooling.
T’were it otherwise, Sorin, they never would have had to import you from Rumania to do the things Americans are too ******* stupid to do because they are so poorly educated.
Homeschooling takes work and discipline, something the many morons in this country sorely lack, ,and so, probably are sending their kids to public schools to be made stupid like the parents.
Publius Americanus says
TRUMP WON!!!!
FAUCI LIED!!!!!!!!!!!!
Paul Plante says
See, now you’re getting with the program!
Well done!
Now what you need to do is go on the road with a “TRUMP WON” bus tour, and get a bunch of people in each city to stand in mobs out in the street screeching over and over at the top of their little lungs “TRUMP WON TRUMP WON TRUMP WON TRUMP WON TRUMP WON TRUMP WON TRUMP WON TRUMP WON” and I’m betting that when you reach some critical mass of screechers, it will actually come true, and Joe Biden will realize he actually lost, and he’ll concede and give the white house back to Trump and you and yours will be real American heroes, and since you like to travel and are a good community organizer, you are a natural to make that happen.
Publius Americanus says
Oh, Paul. Or, after actual audits that reveal the truth, each State that so wishes can enact a 10th amendment reaffirmation and tell the FOTUS(Fraud of the US)to go pound sand.
But I guess you prefer we all just take our Soma and turn on the VidScreen, eh?
Odd, I did not take you for a surrender monkey.
Paul Plante says
Quite obviously, Publius, they are really doing quite well without me, and since I don’t see what possible part I could play in the drama, having voted for Kanye West, who was the only candidate even remotely presidential of the three of them, I’m putting my attention elsewhere.
I don’t like Trump and never did, long before he ever became president.
He’s one more Viet Nam war avoider who got out of having to go because in his case, he came down with such crippling bonespurs it was impossible to him to walk.
Here’s Trump’s “Viet Nam” story as told in the People magazine story “Trump Boasted of Avoiding STDs While Dating: Vaginas Are ‘Landmines … It Is My Personal Vietnam’ – Donald Trump likens avoiding contracting STDs during his single years to Vietnam in Howard Stern interview” by Ale Russian updated October 28, 2016, as follows:
In an unearthed interview from 1997, Donald Trump claimed he was a “brave soldier” for avoiding STDs during his single years in the late ’90s.
“It’s amazing, I can’t even believe it.”
“I’ve been so lucky in terms of that whole world, it is a dangerous world out there.”
“It’s like Vietnam, sort of.”
“It is my personal Vietnam.”
“I feel like a great and very brave solider,” Trump said in the interview when Howard Stern asked how he handled making sure he wasn’t contracting STDs from the women he was sleeping with.
The business-mogul-turned-politician elaborated on the fact in the interview, calling women’s vaginas “potential landmines” and saying “there’s some real danger there.”
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He and I got nothing in common, Publius, nothing at all, and I am not sorry that the CON MAN got his *** out-conned by Nancy Pelosi, who played Trump like a Stradivarius violin.
So yeah, I am sitting this one, sorry about on thing only, and that is that Kanye West is not in the white house right now, because if anyone deserves to be there, it is Kanye.
And Publius, you’re a dude who likes sport and adventure.
Why don’t you bring Stuart up to New York City and turn him loose in Grand Central Station so he can go row by row and seat by seat, barking at each person in turn: “TRUMP WON!”
And maybe you could hire a bunch of homeless people, as well, to follow Stuart and each time he gets in somebody’s face and barks at them that “TRUMP WON,” the homeless people can start chanting “TRUMP WON TRUMP WON,” and it should be quite a show, all in all, the kind of spectacle you are only going to see in big city like New York, especially when the dudes in white coats from Bellvue come swarming in with the butterfly nets to capture Stuart to take him to the looney bin, and then the chase is on and it becomes escape-and-evasion time, especially if Stuart can get into the sewers under Grand Central where he has room to run and plenty of place to hide in.
What a story that chase would be on the Eastern Shore of Virginia for years to come.
Paul Plante says
YAWN!
Publius says: No court ever heard the evidence Paul because they hid behind procedural horse poop.
I respond: And you expect me to do what about that?
Go to Grand Central Station with you and Stuart to bark at people that Trump won because no court ever heard the evidence because they hid behind procedural horse poop?
Sorry, Publius, not my style.
Publius says: Your pablum about no court plays a role in an election?2000 would like to talk to you and explain Bush v Gore.
I respond: Explain what?
Why chickens don’t have lips, while fish do?
As to Bush v. Gore, 2000 is 21 years ago, and Bush v. Gore is high school history now, so why you need me to explain it to you eludes me, but since I like you, Publius, I’ll step up to the plate for you and give you the high school history everybody else already knows quite well:
THE CONVERSATION
“A ‘rigged’ vote? Four US presidential elections with contested results”
November 1, 2016
2000: The hanging chads
In 2000, many states were still using the punch card ballot, a voting system created in the 1960s.
Even though these ballots had a long history of machine malfunctions and missed votes, no one seemed to know or care – until all Americans suddenly realized that the outdated technology had created a problem in Florida.
Then, on Election Day, the national media discovered that a “butterfly ballot,” a punch card ballot with a design that violated Florida state law, had confused thousands of voters in Palm Beach County.
The Florida butterfly ballot confused a number of voters, who ended up voting for Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan thinking they had voted for Democratic candidate Al Gore.
Wikimedia Commons
Many who had thought they were voting for Gore unknowingly voted for another candidate or voted for two candidates. (For example, Reform Party candidate Pat Buchanan received about 3,000 votes from voters who had probably intended to vote for Gore.) Gore ended up losing the state to Bush by 537 votes – and, in losing Florida, lost the election.
But ultimately, the month-long process to determine the winner of the presidential election came down to an issue of “hanging chads.”
Over 60,000 ballots in Florida, most of them on punch cards, had registered no vote for president on the punch card readers.
But on many of the punch cards, the little pieces of paper that get punched out when someone votes – known as chads – were still hanging by one, two or three corners and had gone uncounted.
Gore went to court to have those ballots counted by hand to try to determine voter intent, as allowed by state law.
Bush fought Gore’s request in court.
While Gore won in the Florida State Supreme Court, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled at 10 p.m. on Dec. 12 that Congress had set a deadline of that date for states to choose electors, so there was no more time to count votes.
Gore conceded the next day.
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Didn’t you know any of that?
Publius says: And Ray wishes to keep the truth of the stolen 2020 election(TRUMP WON!!) out there.
I respond: Well, bless his little heart.
Good for him.
And what’s that to me?
Do you seriously expect me to help him out in any way on that?
You’re dreaming if you do – I like Raymond Otton even less than I do Trump.
If Raymond wishes to keep the truth of the stolen 2020 election (TRUMP WON!!) out there, let him – it’s his show.
Take him to Grand Central Station with you when you take Stuart to bark at people that “TRUMP WON” and Raymond can follow along behind barking at them as well, along with the hired homeless people.
Paul Plante says
CNBC
“Pro-Trump lawyer Sidney Powell says ‘no reasonable person’ believes election claims were ‘statements of fact’”
Kevin Breuninger @KevinWilliamB
Published Tue, Mar 23 2021
Key Points
* Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false conspiracies about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
* The argument came in a court filing asking a federal judge to dismiss the $1.3 billion defamation suit filed against Powell by Dominion Voting Systems.
* Dominion claims Powell and others who spread conspiracy theories about the company, including Trump lawyer Rudy Giuliani and MyPillow CEO Mike Lindell, have caused it “irreparable harm.”
Lawyers for pro-Trump attorney Sidney Powell said that “no reasonable person” would believe that her false claims and conspiracy theories about the 2020 election were “truly statements of fact.”
The new argument from Powell, who had aggressively promoted claims that the election was rigged against former President Donald Trump, came Monday in a court filing asking a federal judge to dismiss the $1.3 billion defamation suit filed by Dominion Voting Systems in January.
Trump and his legal team, which at one time included Powell, claimed victory in the Nov. 3 election even after media outlets and officials called the race for Joe Biden.
At a late-November news conference alongside Giuliani and other lawyers, Powell claimed Dominion was part of an international election-rigging conspiracy involving “communist money” from countries including Venezuela and Cuba.
Trump’s lawyers distanced themselves from Powell shortly thereafter — but she went on to file lawsuits making similar claims about the race being stolen from Trump and rife with fraud, aiming to decertify the vote results in key states.
In the court filing made public Monday night, Powell’s lawyers argued that Dominion’s defamation suit should be dropped because her claims were merely constitutionally protected expressions of political opinion, rather than declarations of fact.
“Determining whether a statement is protected involves a two-step inquiry,” Powell’s lawyers wrote in the filing in Washington federal court.
“Is the statement one which can be proved true or false?”
“And would reasonable people conclude that the statement is one of fact, in light of its phrasing, context and the circumstances surrounding its publication.”
“Analyzed under these factors … no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact,” the lawyers argued.
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But Stuart Bell and Raymond Otton believe her word for word, and I’m supposed to be as stupid as they are and believe her claims too?
Yeah right.
As to the Republicans, they have “The Hindenburgh in Red” handling their false claims actions for them, so again, Publius, I’m leaving it in her hands, because while I loathe Democrats, I loathe Republicans as well, and would do nothing to help a Republican just as I would do the same nothing to help a Democrat.
Paul Plante says
And while we are reviewing the ABSOLUTE HORSE**** I would have to believe in, implicitly, to be an OTTON-ite or believer that “TRUMP WON,” let’s go to his main source of information which is conservative ICON Rudolpho Giuliani, known to the conservatives as “ST. RUDOLPH THE HOLY,” to wit:
PHILADELPHIA INQUIRER
“Giuliani berates reporters for questioning election claims, saying, ‘I know crimes. I can smell them’”
by Nomaan Merchant, The Associated Press
Published Nov 19, 2020
WASHINGTON — President Donald Trump and his allies are taking increasingly frantic steps to subvert the results of the 2020 election, including summoning state legislators to the White House as part of a longshot bid to overturn Joe Biden’s victory.
Among other last-ditch tactics: personally calling local election officials who are trying to rescind their certification votes in Michigan, suggesting in a legal challenge that Pennsylvania set aside the popular vote there and pressuring county officials in Arizona to delay certifying vote tallies.
Election law experts see it as the last, dying gasps of the Trump campaign and say Biden is certain to walk into the Oval Office come January.
But there is great concern that Trump’s effort is doing real damage to public faith in the integrity of U.S. elections.
“It’s very concerning that some Republicans apparently can’t fathom the possibility that they legitimately lost this election,” said Joshua Douglas, a law professor at the University of Kentucky who researches and teaches election law.
“We depend on democratic norms, including that the losers graciously accept defeat,” he said.
“That seems to be breaking down.”
Trump’s own election security agency has declared the 2020 presidential election to have been the most secure in history.
Days after that statement was issued, Trump fired the agency’s leader.
The increasingly desperate and erratic moves are not expected to change the outcome of the 2020 election, where Biden has now received more votes than any other presidential candidate in history and has clinched the 270 Electoral College votes needed to win.
But the president’s constant barrage of baseless claims, his work to personally sway local officials who certify votes and his allies’ refusal to admit he lost is likely to have a lasting negative impact on the country.
Legions of his supporters don’t believe he lost.
“It’s about trying to set up the conditions where half of the country believes that there are only two possibilities, either they win or the election was stolen,” said Justin Levitt, a constitutional law scholar and professor at Loyola Law School.
“And that’s not a democracy.”
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As to “ST. RUDOLPH,” the patron saint of conservatives like Raymond Otton and his little dog Stuart, saying, “I know crimes, I can smell them,” the only crime he was smelling was emanating from his Depends which he hadn’t bothered to change in a week.
And talk about a picture being worth a thousand words, this one of Raymond Otton’s conservative hero “ST. RUDOLPH” is a real American classic:
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10158051030767061&id=20980557060
And you want me to join in with that CIRCUS and STUPID SHOW, Publius, and become another conservative moron like Raymond Otton and his little purse dog Stuart?
Yeah, right!
Paul Plante says
And while we are on about this ABSOLUTE RIDICULOUS HORSE**** SPEW from Raymond Otton to support his bizarre theory that “TRUMP WON” because “ST. RUDOLPHO” Giuliani, the patron saint of Conservatives like Raymond Otton who hangs on his every word as if it was “THE VOICE OF GOD,” which to a Conservative it actually is, “knows crimes” because unlike the ordinary person, “ST. RUDOLPHO,” the patron saint of Conservatives like Raymond Otton, who believes this implicitly, he can actually “smell them,” I can’t believe, Publius, and did I say I like you, because you seem nice, are asking me to squander my credibility by throwing in that that PACK OF FOOLS headed up by Raymond Otton who are basing their claims of “TRUMP WON” on Rudy Giuliani’s ability to smell crime, which is so stupid it is bizarre, especially when you look at pictures of Giuliani who is so full of **** it actually issues out of fissures in his head the way magma pours forth from fissures in that volcano in Hawaii.
Scientific experts I have spoken to who use actual science to figure these thinks out figure that for the **** in Rudolph Giuliani’s body to get extruded through the pore’s of his head, the pressure in there as to a whopping 15,000 to 30,000 psi, if you can wrap your mind around that figure, Publius, an occasion I have every confidence that you can rise up to.
Anyway, I can’t believe you’re actually seriously asking me to embrace a man so full of **** it comes out of his head, and I figure that what you are doing in reality is presenting me with a test to determine whether I am a real ******* moron who would treat somebody with **** coming out of his head as a source of truth about anything, or am I in fact what I say I really am, which is a rational, logical, lucid person who sees Rudy Giuliani, Trump’s personal lawyer, by the way, as an absolute pitiful A-HOLE, which takes us to an article in The Guardian by Nomaan Merchant, The Associated Press, entitled “Sweaty Rudy Giuliani suffers hair malfunction in latest bizarre press conference,” where we had the absurd BULL**** Rayomd Otton believes in, as follows:
Trump’s personal lawyer was trying to drum up interest in tales of election rigging – but viewers were drawn to the drama on his head
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As an aside, Publius, don’t those Brits write good?
Getting back to that totally bizarre story, which is far beyond, in terms of total absurdity, any of the weirdness the Democrats were able to put forth as their best efforts at THEATER OF THE ABSURD with the Michael Cohen hearings which pale in comparison to the weirdness of this “TRUMP WON” saga of Raymond Otton’s, which takes us back to The Guardian, to wit:
On 7 November, the day the presidential election was called for Joe Biden, former New York mayor turned Trump attorney Rudy Giuliani addressed the media at a landscaping company between a sex shop and a crematorium on Philadelphia’s industrial fringe.
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Yes, people, talk about TALES OF THE ABSOLUTE ******* BIZARRE, there we have it in technicolor – Rudy Giuliani with **** pouring out of his head on camera addressing the media at a landscaping company garage between a sex shop and a crematorium on Philadelphia’s industrial fringe.
Lanny Davis, eat out your heart, dude, because when it comes to PROFESSIONAL THEATER OF THE ABSURD, the Conservatives have cleaned your clock!
Getting back to The Guardian, it continues thusly:
For two weeks, as the Trump campaign continued to claim without evidence that the election had been stolen, America wondered if Giuliani could possibly ever top that.
On Thursday, he gave it a damned good try.
A day after his claims of massive voter fraud fell flat in a Pennsylvania court room, Giuliani staged another press conference, this time in slightly more salubrious surrounds, at Republican National Committee headquarters in Washington DC.
But it did not go well.
First, while claiming Republican poll observers had been kept too far away from ballot counters in Philadelphia, a key Trump claim in a vital state which like others fell to Biden, Giuliani attempted to recite a scene from My Cousin Vinny, an Oscar-winning comedy from 1992.
“Did you all watch My Cousin Vinny?”
“You know the movie?”
“It’s one of my favorite law movies, because he comes from Brooklyn,” he said.
Giuliani, who also comes from Brooklyn, tried to sum up a key plot point from Jonathan Lynn’s film, in which Joe Pesci’s personal injury lawyer, hitherto out of his depth in a murder trial, manages to discredit a key witness by proving her vision to be impaired.
“And when the nice lady said she saw …” Giuliani said, switching into a very rough approximation of Pesci’s Brooklyn accent.
“And then he says to her, ‘How many fingers do I …'”
“‘How many fingers do I got up?'”
“‘And she says three.'”
“‘Oh, she was too far away to see it was only two.'”
“These people [the poll observers] were further away than My Cousin Vinny was from the witness.”
“They couldn’t see a thing,” he added, apparently drawing a line between the movie scene and claims about the problems faced by poll observers in Philadelphia.
So far, so predictably surreal.
But things got stickier.
As Giuliani sweated in front of journalists, streaks of what appeared to be dark hair dye began to run down his face.
The internet noticed, of course, and jokes and ridicule spread.
Worse still for the Trump campaign, the audio feed from the press conference suddenly included unknown persons asking “Can they hear us on the stream?” and discussing “Rudy’s hair dye dripping down his face”.
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HILARIOUS, people, and this is the HORSE**** I would have to embrace to be a loyal OTTON-ite believing “TRUMP WON!”
Getting back to that story in The Guardian:
Eventually, the feed was taken down.
But Giuliani is nothing if not a trooper for Trump.
After mopping back the tarry rivulets, he raised his voice to make his point to the reporters in the room.
“I don’t know what you need to wake you up, to do your job and inform the American people, whether you like it or not, of the things they need to know!” he said.
“This is real!”
“It’s not made up!”
“There’s nobody here who engages in fantasies.”
After the former mayor stood back, continuing to mop his forehead, Trump lawyer Sidney Powell took over the offensive.
She claimed to have identified “massive influence of communist money through Venezuela, Cuba and likely China in the interference with our elections here in the United States”.
By that point, the unsubstantiated claim barely seemed bizarre.
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And there we have it, people – that’s the HORSE**** you have to embrace to be a TRUE BELIEVER that Trump won anything other than the BOOBY PRIZE for BIGGEST A-HOLE in an American presidential contest ever, and I’m not making a fool of myself before TWO MILLION viewers joining that crowd!
Paul Plante says
And while we are on the subject of deconstructing and unpacking the patently ridiculous and totally delusional TRIPE TRUMP CULTIST Raymond Otton is peddling in here that Trump is the president of the United States of America, let’s go to a Reuters story on that very subject of the delusional state of mind TRUMP CULTISTS like Raymond Otton live their lives in as a result of too much ingestion of far too much toxic TRUMP KOOL-AID, which rots brain cells big time, entitled, very appropriately, “‘Pure insanity’: Justice Dept. rebuffed Trump bid to overturn election” by Susan Heavey and Jan Wolfe on June 15, 2021, to wit:
WASHINGTON, June 15 (Reuters) – Former President Donald Trump pressed the Justice Department during his waning weeks in office to join his failed effort to overturn his election defeat based on his false claims of voting fraud, but its leaders refused, with one decrying the “pure insanity” of the claims, documents released on Tuesday showed.
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That “pure insanity,” of course, is what Raymond Otton in his delusional state of mind clings to as his version of “truth,” and anyone who wants to be an OTTON-ite in here has to accept that, as well as their “truth,” which takes us bvack to the story, as follows:
The records, obtained by the House of Representatives Oversight and Reform Committee, provided new insight into the actions of the Republican former president in trying to enlist the department to act on his claims.
The documents showed a series of overtures made by Trump, then-White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows and an outside private attorney, Kurt Olsen.
The department ultimately did not join the effort and numerous courts rejected lawsuits seeking to overturn election results in various states.
The department under outgoing Attorney General William Barr, who left his post on Dec. 23, and his short-term replacement Jeffrey Rosen decided not to act on the false claims of voting fraud.
Biden took office on Jan. 20.
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And now Raymond Otton and his pack of lunatics, morons, mouth-breathers and other assorted ilk are howling and baying at the moon that the election was “STOLEN” from Trump, and that Trump is really the president, which takes us back to Reuters for more of the OTTON TIN-HAT CONSPIRACY THEORY, to wit:
The emails showed that Meadows asked Justice Department officials to investigate an unfounded conspiracy theory called “Italygate” alleging that U.S. electoral data was changed in Italian facilities with the knowledge of the CIA.
On Jan. 1, Meadows sent Rosen a link to a YouTube video detailing the theory.
Rosen forwarded the email to then-acting Deputy Attorney General Richard Donoghue, who replied: “Pure insanity.”
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Which, of course, does not stop a TRUE BELIEVER like Raymond Otton from embracing the insanity as their truth, which again takes us back to Reuters for more, as follows:
The documents also showed that Trump pressured Rosen when he was deputy attorney general to have the department take up the election fraud claims.
The emails showed Rosen declined to arrange a meeting between Justice Department officials and Trump’s personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani about his false claims that the November election was stolen.
Meadows had asked Rosen to help arrange the proposed meeting with Giuliani, the emails showed.
“I flatly refused, said I would not be giving any special treatment to Giuliani or any of his ‘witnesses,’ and re-affirmed yet again that I will not talk to Giuliani about any of this,” Rosen wrote to a Justice Department colleague on Jan. 1.
Giuliani had played a prominent role in promoting Trump’s false election claims.
Trump, through an assistant, sent Rosen a Dec. 14 email with documents purporting to show evidence of election fraud in northern Michigan – a debunked allegation that a federal judge had already rejected.
Two weeks later, on Dec. 29, Trump’s White House assistant emailed Rosen, who by then was the acting attorney general, and other Justice Department lawyers a draft legal brief that they were urged to file at the U.S. Supreme Court.
The department never filed the brief.
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So there is the DEEP STATE CONSPIRACY against Trump exposed for all to see.
Tom Haskins says
You are not right, are you?
Paul Plante says
That I’d rather have a fool for a client than a fool for a lawyer?
Are you kidding?
Of course I’m right.
Ray Otton says
Question.
Where should I send the bill for my new keyboard?
‘cuz I was drinking my morning coffee when I read your latest “I’m right” proclamation and well, you can imagine the mess.
Truth is, the only time you’re funny is when you aren’t trying to be.
And the only time you’re right is when ……………. oh, who am I kidding, you’re never right.
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Oh yeah, Trump won.
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Tom Haskins says
No, I mean that you are not wrapped tight.
Paul Plante says
I’m wrapped a whole lot tighter than you are, Tommy, me boy!
But not being wrapped very tightly at all yourself, with frayed ends dangling in the wind, you wouldn’t be able to discern that yourself.
Now run along, Tommy, your mother is calling!
Ray Otton says
No he is not right and it’s time to stop responding to the vicious bully.
Paul Plante says
YYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAWWWWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!
HEE HEE HEE HEE!!!!!!
GUFFAW GUFFAW GUFFAW GUFFAW!
Great lines, Raymond!
A lot of suspense and drama packed in just a few words!
Stuff Bogart would be saying today if her were still around.
And suck it up, Raymond – you got snookered by your own self!
PEOPLE’S EXHIBIT A:
Ray Otton says @ JUNE 16, 2021 AT 12:37 PM:
“Raymond, from me to you with all sincerity – go and fornicate yourself!
I don’t care what you think!
I don’t care what you say!
I don’t care what your friends think!……………………………”
Jeeze, you been listening to Phil Collins again?
Paul, old man, lashing out at fellow contributors the way you do would be an embarrassment if you had even a spec of self-awareness.
As it is, you irate posts are good for a morning laugh if nothing else.
I mean. it’s not like anyone reads the other, long winded cut and paste bullshit you come up with.
Oh yeah, also, I see you called out Stuart to meet you in Huntington, NY for a one on one meeting.
You do know he’s one of the few people on here who had offered a defense of you in the past and now you want to, what, take him on for some imagined offense?
Gonna smack him around a bit?
Threatening fisticuffs over some forum comments from a geriatric, disabled vet.
You crack me up.
Funny thing is, I’d LOVE to take you up on that offer myself as I’m from Huntington and visit relatives up there on occasion.
We could meet at the Artful Dodger, downtown, just off Main Street.
I’m sure you know the place.
You’d be able to recognize me ‘cuz I’d be wearing cargo pants and some sensible Birkenstocks.
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What does that sound like you are saying to you, Raymond?
Can you unpack it for us?
And how come you told me to meet you at the Artful Dodger when the place is closed?
What’s up with that?
If you know, that is.
Ray Otton says
“Raymond, from me to you with all sincerity – go and fornicate yourself!
I don’t care what you think!
I don’t care what you say!
I don’t care what your friends think!……………………………”
Jeeze, you been listening to Phil Collins again?
Paul, old man, lashing out at fellow contributors the way you do would be an embarrassment if you had even a spec of self-awareness.
As it is, you irate posts are good for a morning laugh if nothing else. I mean. it’s not like anyone reads the other, long winded cut and paste bullshit you come up with.
Oh yeah, also, I see you called out Stuart to meet you in Huntington, NY for a one on one meeting.
You do know he’s one of the few people on here who had offered a defense of you in the past and now you want to, what, take him on for some imagined offense? Gonna smack him around a bit?
Threatening fisticuffs over some forum comments from a geriatric, disabled vet. You crack me up.
Funny thing is, I’d LOVE to take you up on that offer myself as I’m from Huntington and visit relatives up there on occasion.
We could meet at the Artful Dodger, downtown, just off Main Street. I’m sure you know the place.
You’d be able to recognize me ‘cuz I’d be wearing cargo pants and some sensible Birkenstocks.
Sorin Varzaru says
“Funny thing is, I’d LOVE to take you up on that offer myself as I’m from Huntington and visit relatives up there on occasion.
We could meet at the Artful Dodger, downtown, just off Main Street. I’m sure you know the place.
You’d be able to recognize me ‘cuz I’d be wearing cargo pants and some sensible Birkenstocks.”
A video of that would definitely be an occasion I would need to procure a popcorn machine for….
Ray Otton says
Heh, you got that right. 🙂
I can picture it now.
“In this corner, a cranky old bastard with nothing but time on his hands and a propensity for arguing and in the other corner, errrrr well, pretty much the same thing”.
“LLLLLLet’s get ready to rrrrrrrrrrumble!”.
Sorin Varzaru says
““In this corner, a cranky old bastard with nothing but time on his hands and a propensity for arguing and in the other corner, errrrr well, pretty much the same thing”.”
Like I said, popcorn material 🙂
Publius Americanus says
I would have thought a man of your convictions would be trying to forestall violence, not relish the viewing of it.
Hmmm, almost like leftists lie about their positions and platforms?
BTW, nice of you to admit that rejection of non-assimilating peoples is NOT racist, but merely…….rejecting non-assimilationists.
Why do Romanians get the benefit of the doubt, but we Americans are RAYCISSSST if we feel the same?
Sorin Varzaru says
“BTW, nice of you to admit that rejection of non-assimilating peoples is NOT racist, but merely…….rejecting non-assimilationists. Why do Romanians get the benefit of the doubt, but we Americans are RAYCISSSST if we feel the same?”
I struggle with this. There were two families of Roma living across the street from my house. They were filthy, loud and obnoxious. They would send their children to panhandle or steal. Roma people spread all over Europe since romania joined EU and a short internet search shows they are wreaking havoc everywhere.
So, is it racism to want to stay away from Roma people? Yes. Is is racism to want to stay away from criminals no. What’s the difference? Well, in the details I guess. Unlike Stuart who posts around here, I acknowledge that Roma’s people current behavior is a result of systemic racism over the centuries, not some shortcoming of their DNA. I think programs that help the ones that against all odds want to integrate in society are incredibly useful (i.e. programs similar to “affirmative action”) though I understand how these programs are seen by struggling people from other ethnic groups as unfair.
Paul Plante says
I’d love to see it, too!
Paul Plante says
What do you think of that other disabled veteran with my same name knocking Stuart Bell sprawling on his *** in the Food Lion parking lot, Sorin, after Stuart, being Stuart as only he can, had been mocking and jeering the disabled veteran for being disabled?
Quite a show as I have heard through the disabled veteran’s grapevine.
Apparently, after he got knocked on his ***, and not, I can’t steal another man’s valor for that act, Stuart crawled under a big Ford pick-up and wouldn’t come out until the veteran was gone, and even then it took him a time to emerge, I have heard.
Stuart thinks I’m the Paul Plante who knocked him on his ***, but as I say, I can’t steal another man’s valor for that act.
Credit to he who actually did the deed!
Do you think that was justice, Sorin, Stuart Bell getting knocked on his *** in the Food Lion parking lot for mocking and jeering and older disabled veteran for being disabled?
Paul Plante says
So, Sorin, does that mean that you too are buying into this “TRUMP WON” BULL**** that Raymond Otton is trying to peddle in here?
Are you becoming a “TRUE BELIEVER” so you can stay on Raymond’s good side and be his buddy?
Sorin Varzaru says
“So, Sorin, does that mean that you too are buying into this “TRUMP WON” BULL**** that Raymond Otton is trying to peddle in here?
Are you becoming a “TRUE BELIEVER” so you can stay on Raymond’s good side and be his buddy?”
Ha! That is funny. Trump, the orange monkey didn’t win shit. The republican party and it’s members are loosing grip on reality. It’s one thing (which is bad enough) to CLAIM that election was stolen in order to rile up the knucklehead’s base, it’s another to actually believe it.
Paul Plante says
FIVE THUMBS UP!
Paul Plante says
And speaking of this bizarre THEATER OF THE ABSURD we are being presented with by Raymond Otton as he tries to make us believe Trump is really the president, while the Conservatives and Republicans are melting down and losing their grip on reality, which thought makes an unsupported assumption that at one time previous, they actually had a grip on reality, which is hard to believe given their mindless embrace of Donald Trump as their party hero, to see just how absurd this story really is, let’s go to a HuffPost story on 10/21/2020 entitled “Rudy Giuliani Caught On Camera Appearing To Touch Genitals During ‘Borat’ Prank – Giuliani, 76, was filmed putting his hands in his pants when he thought he was with a female journalist” by Sebastian Murdock, where we have “ST. RUDOLPH THE HOLY AND PURE,” the patron saint of the Conservatives and Raymond Otton, making an absolute *** out pf himself, as follows:
Rudy Giuliani, New York City’s former mayor and President Donald Trump’s personal lawyer, was caught on camera appearing to touch his genitals in front of a woman he believed was a journalist, but was actually an actor involved in the sequel to Sacha Baron Cohen’s movie “Borat.”
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Yes, indeed, people, Donald Trump’s private attorney is a real class act, alright, and we can see why the Conservatives love the dude, which takes us back to that bizarre story of “ST. RUDOLPH THE HOLY AND PURE,” to wit:
Baron Cohen’s follow-up to his 2006 hit comedy, to be released Friday, features a scene with Giuliani touching himself in the presence of a woman pretending to be a conservative reporter, as multiple publications have reported.
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And what is up with that, can anyone tell me?
What kind of weird **** is Trump’s personal attorney into?
Getting back to that story of a CONSERVATIVE ICON, we have:
After holding a mock interview with Giuliani, actor Maria Bakalova, who plays Borat’s daughter in the new film, goes with the former mayor into a hotel suite rigged with hidden cameras.
Giuliani sits on the bed, Bakalova appears to remove his microphone, and Giuliani then lies back and reaches into his pants.
Soon afterward, Baron Cohen, playing Borat, bursts into the room and says, “She’s 15, she’s too old for you!” (Bakalova is 24 years old).
In a radio interview Wednesday afternoon, Giuliani said he was lying on the bed so he could tuck in his shirt.
“I had to take off the electronic equipment,” Giuliani told WABC.
“And when the electronic equipment came off, some of it was in the back and my shirt came a little out, although my clothes were entirely on.”
“I leaned back, and I tucked my shirt in, and at that point, at that point, they have this picture they take which looks doctored, but in any event, I’m tucking my shirt in.”
“I assure you that’s all I was doing.”
“They’ll do anything,” he added.
“They’ve attacked me over everything possible, investigated every business dealing I’ve ever had.”
“And now the idiot Borat is going after me with a totally sensationalized false account of a ridiculous movie I guess that he’s done.”
Giuliani told the New York Post in early July that he thought he was participating in a real interview, only to find out he was being fooled by Baron Cohen, who is notorious for pranking public figures in his films.
“This guy comes running in, wearing a crazy, what I would say was a pink transgender outfit,” Giuliani said at the time.
“It was a pink bikini, with lace, underneath a translucent mesh top, it looked absurd.”
“He had the beard, bare legs, and wasn’t what I would call distractingly attractive.”
Thinking he was the victim of a “scam or shakedown,” the former mayor called the police and Baron Cohen sprinted away.
Police did not pursue charges.
In Giuliani’s estimation at the time, the actor failed to truly prank him.
“I only later realized it must have been Sacha Baron Cohen,” he said.
“I thought about all the people he previously fooled and I felt good about myself because he didn’t get me.”
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Isn’t that such great stuff, people!
THEATER OF THE ABSURD like that doesn’t come along often, because how many fools like Rudy Giuliani are out there at any given time to provide it, so you have to appreciate all that much more when the THEATER OF THE ABSURD is in town as it is with this “TRUMP WON” circus Raymond Otton is the ringmaster of.
Paul Plante says
Hey, Sorin, when Raymond brings his act to my house in Huntingdon, why don’t you come along to?
Be glad to have you.
I’ve got some real good Kobi beefburgers to throw on the grill and some sirloins and some lobsters and shrimp and you sound like Merlot, so I’ll have a stock of that, too, and you and Raymond can use the pool, so don’t be a stranger.
Anybody in Huntingdon knows where to find me, being famous in Huntingdon as I am, and you don’t need a special invitation – just show up at the door and you’ll be very welcome, because people in Huntingdon love immigrants from Rumania, and I’ll be sure to lay on a spread for you from the Artful Dodger, downtown, just off Main Street, which happens to be my local, of their fantastic Sarmale, and Mămăligă and Mici, which are to die for, along with their Ciorbă de burtă and Pomana Porcului and Jumări and Cozonac and Drob de miel, which is another specialty of theirs.
You’ll think you are back in the Old Country after a heavenly meal like that!
Paul Plante says
Oh, p’shaw, Ray, we’s buddies so why don’t you come right to the house itself, any time, day or night, don’t make a difference when an old bud like you has gone to the trouble of coming to town to see me, and I can show you my landscaping, which I do myself, by the way, while cooking up some steaks for you, unless you’d like something else, and some lobsters, nothing too good for my old buddy Raymond Otton come home to Huntingdon just to see me.
I’ll have a bunch of beer for you, or wine if you would prefer that.
No need to call ahead, Raymond – you know the name, if you really are from Huntingdon, and I’m not doubting you, Raymond, just wondering why you went away so quickly like you did, you’ll find me easily enough and my goodness what a surprise that will be for me to finally actually get to meet the Raymond Otton we in Hiuntingdon have been hearing about all these years
So don’t be a stranger, Raymond, and stop by real soon, hear!
Ray Otton says
It’s HuntingTON, ya’ big dope. You’ve misspelled it every time.
Which makes one wonder, if you can’t spell the name of your town correctly, do you even know where the hell you are?
Ray Otton says
“What do you think of that other disabled veteran with my same name…………”
Are you saying you think there’s TWO of you?
‘splains a lot.
Paul Plante says
I am a multitude, Raymond.
Ray Otton says
“I like Raymond Otton even less than I do Trump.”
My question is, what did I do to deserve such a place of honor? I’ve never come in first in anything up ’til now.
Is there a trophy, or a badge or a plaque or something?
Really anything short of my head on your wall of infamy would be OK.
Can’t have my head, I’m still using it,…….but you wouldn’t know about a thing like that.
Please keep your response to under a JILLION words.
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Oh yeah, Trump won.
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Sorin Varzaru says
“Are you saying you think there’s TWO of you?‘splains a lot.”
I was wondering how Paul manages to write this much here. And the answer is … CLONES! 🙂
Paul Plante says
A multitude as I have said.
Ray Otton says
Clones……or clowns? 🙂
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Ray Otton says
“I am a multitude”
Question is, do any of you know how to spell the name of the town where you reside?
Paul Plante says
We spell it the way the real locals spell it, Raymond.
You sure you ever been there, outside your dreams, that it?
I asked around at the Artful Dodger, for example, and nobody even knew your name.
Ray Otton says
“We spell it the way the real locals spell it, Raymond.
You sure you ever been there, outside your dreams, that it?
I asked around at the Artful Dodger, for example, and nobody even knew your name.”
Admit it, Paul, you are just trying a little trolling here. It’s clear you don’t live there and I caught you in the lie, so the necessity for a misdirect.
Claiming “the real locals” spell it Huntingdon makes you look the fool. The locals, all 200K of them, have spelled it Huntington since it’s inception in 1653.
I know because I was born and raised there and I can tell you unequivocally no one spells Huntingdon.
You’ve never been to the Artful Dodger either. My 1st cousin, who owns the place, says no one of your description has ever set foot inside.
You’d be easy to spot too what with the spittle in the corners of your mouth, talking among your various selves, ranting over the upstate NY politicians who simply won’t listen to the crazy bastard in the back row of every town meeting bleating out his engineering qualifications and the fact that he was a medal winner in the Vietnam war ( got to wonder about that one now we know for certain YOU ARE A LIAR).
No wonder I’m at the top of your hate list. I’ve revealed you are a charlatan and a fraud.
With this exchange you are now the laughingstock of the entire CCM community.
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Paul Plante says
And this very thread, people, where we have logically and rationally deconstructed and dismantled the HOUSE OF PURE BULL**** TRUMP CULTIST Raymond Otton has been peddling in here, the MYTH that Trump is really the president, which is horse****, the only thing Trump having won being the award for the biggest, whiny crybaby of a president in the history of the United States of America. is a prime example of how an on-line publication like the Cape Charles Mirror serves as an on-line learning tool for homeschooling adults in CIVICS, which is a real honest-to-gosh public service by the Cape Charles Mirror, so hats off to the Cape Charles Mirror for being there in America’s hour of need, as benighted ignorance descends down all around us, threatening to blot out the light of reason forever.
And be gentle and compassionate with Raymond Otton, people, he can’t help himself.
Paul Plante says
Raymond, calm down and reel it in, dude, because you are out in outer space here.
And are you calling Stuart Bell a liar now?
Stuart is the one who did the detective work to track me down in my home town of Huntington, and he provided you with the Newsweek story to prove it..
So are you saying Stuart is full 0f ****?
And Raymond, take a course in reading comprehensio9n, will you!
What I said is as follows:
“I like Raymond Otton even less than I do Trump.”
So no, Raymond, I don’t hate you, because that would be a waste of my time, wasting my emotions and health on you.
I don’t like you because I don’t find you at all likeable.
That is hardly hating you, Raymond.
Get over yourself, dude.
In the grand scheme of things as I see it, you don’t have an existence.
And the only thing Trump won was A-HOLE OF THE YEAR.
That’s it, Raymond.
End of that story!
Over and out!
Paul Plante says
And Raymond, the Artful Dodger is closed.
Everybody in Huntington knows that:
Artful Dodger Pub
Photo of Artful Dodger Pub – Huntington, NY, US.
Yelpers report this location has closed.
https://www.yelp.com/biz/artful-dodger-pub-huntington
So how come you didn’t know that?
Ray Otton says
So full of yourself you didn’t even see it coming.
Didn’t you say you went by and asked if anyone knew me and their response was “no”.
So you COULDN’T have stopped by if it were closed, could you?
LIAR.
Just like the lie that the “locals” spelled the town name incorrectly. (I do see you’ve given up that charade and are now calling it Huntington.)
LIAR.
Stuart is your private eye? LIAR
Engineer? LIAR
Vietnam vet? LIAR
Disabled? LIAR
All lies.
Truth is, we have no idea who you really are other than your false claims. Why would anyone here bother to interact with a LIAR?
What you SHOULD do is run for office in whichever jurisdiction you actually reside.
You’ll be GREAT.
A megalomaniac liar with multiple voices droning on in your ear.
A vicious bully hiding behind a thin veneer of self declared opprobrium based on reams of cut and paste articles about government hypocrisy.
Very Clintonesque. All you need is a list of deceased opponents.
Don’t get any ideas, OK, sport?
Paul Plante says
Raymond, please, get help!
OVER AND OUT!
END OF ALL ATTEMPTS AT RATIONAL DISCUSSION WITH RAYMOND OTTON!
Because it is impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who is not rational.
Bye, Raymond!
Ray Otton(IQ123) says
Welp. what do you expect from people who believe 2+2 MIGHT=4. or “it might be more fluid”.
The average is found when you add all the IQ’s together then divide by the amount of people,
Here is a simple example(warning, ACTUAL numbers will be used:
In a group of 10 people, 9 have an IQ of 100 and 1 has an IQ of 110 giving an average of 101. So 90% of the people in the group are below the average.
Basically, averages suck for getting a true picture of, well, anything. Medians are better but most people think that’s the grass strip on Rt.13. (Hmmmm, on second though maybe Sorin is correct?)
Naaaaaaa. 🙂
The belief that half of all people are bellow average IQ, comes from ignorance of what an average is. This is often said as a phrase, ironically, to appear smart, or make a joke of someone else being dumb.
The irony is that by stating this, a person is showing their own ignorance while trying to sound superior.
Class, can we think of a group who fits this description?
Sorin Varzaru says
https://www.quora.com/Is-it-true-that-50-of-the-people-have-IQ-less-than-average
Ripping off Quora Ray? 🙂
You are of course correct, but it’s still semantics. No matter how you measure intelligence, once you sort the test results, half the people will be in the half bottom. I would hazard a guess that the half bottom will likely have less education and would likely be way less qualified to educate their children then the average educator who at least managed to complete some education.
Paul Plante says
People who homeschool have to follow a developed curriculum, Sorin.
They don’t just make up some **** as they go, unless they are Democrats.
Note: Also, many are using education coops, as well as online learning tools.
Ray Otton says
Nothing wrong with a little internet research, Sorin. We do it all the time in here. I simply included their example in my larger post.
As for the semantics, personally, I’m anti-semantic.
I break out in hives when people pull the “it’s all semantics” stunt. The greatest semanticist being the Illustrious Bill Clinton with his famous “it depends on what the meaning of is, is” line.
See, Liberals LOVE semantics ( not semetics, history tells us those they don’t love those ).
The reason they love semantics is it gives them the opportunity to alter people’s perceptions of an issue.
The perfect example of this is “pro-choice” which should be “pro-abortion”, but by changing the word to a more positive one it makes the chopping up of fetuses a lot more palatable.
That’s just one example from the Liberal semantics playbook. There are a lot more.
Everything from the HR-1 “for the people act”, which is decidedly against the people’s voting rights, to “diversity” which is actually segregation, Liberals shed clear, well defined words like a snake sheds it’s skin constantly looking to soften the harsh reality of what they believe in.
That said, you may be partially correct that a good portion of the world’s community shouldn’t be teaching their own children, maybe due to intelligence or maybe just as likely, due to societal issues like poverty and prejudice.
However, let me tell you about “educators”. I have a close family member in the profession so I know a lot of teachers.
I can state unequivocally that they run the same range of intelligence as any other population. Meaning, it’s just as much a crap shoot allowing people who are basically strangers to educate the kids as it is to allow parents to do it.
As a conservative, my position would be to allow parents to make the choice. Certainly can’t turn out worse than what we’re doing now.
See, pro-choice that actually means pro-choice.
Sorin Varzaru says
“The perfect example of this is “pro-choice” which should be “pro-abortion”, but by changing the word to a more positive one it makes the chopping up of fetuses a lot more palatable.”
I am just curious, since you think fetuses are people, how would you respond to this :
Carliss Chatman
@carlissc
·
May 9, 2019
If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can’t deport the mother because she’s carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6 week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we’re going here we should go all in.
Ray Wadden says
Ah, and Pro-Life is nothing more than Pro-Birth. Universal healthcare for that child – nope! Living wage – nope! Always two sides to the coin.
Sorin Varzaru says
“The author is conflating legal rights, conferred by the government and natural rights, which are ours by our nature.
She is attempting to score rhetorical points arguing that if we consider the unborn fully human, then it follows that we must do all those things she lists.
This is silly.”
What’s not silly, but rather disgusting is that you are pushing down everyone’s throat your ideas of morality which come from religion, the absolute worse concept humanity came up with. According with some articles 50-100 million people have been killed in the name of Christianity and who know how many more died in the name of other religions.
No one asked you or your fellow conservatives to have an abortion. Apply your morals to your own life and leave the rest of us alone to live by our own morals.
It’s interesting how conservatives are all for liberty and the right of pursuit of happiness unless it’s the women we’re talking about. In that case, you (the conservatives) were against their right to vote, their right to get loans, their right to go to school, and their right to decide what do they do with their bodies. Your fellow conservatives fought tooth and nail against all of that. what is it, did it make them feel more like men when you get to tell others what they can and cannot do?
Paul Plante says
He’s old, Sorin and don’t know any better.
Please treat him with compassion and honest-to-goodness Christian charity, which you don’t have to be religious to do.
And he’s delusional.
He thinks I too have a hate list like he does, and he thinks that he is the very top of that list, which doesn’t exist, except in poor Raymond’s twisted mind.
Who can hate Raymond Otton, I ask you?
Why would anyone bother to?
Hate isn’t good for the organs, afterall, and it is too bad Raymond can’t connect with that reality, but such it is, when it is, and that is just so sad.
Paul Plante says
And you are dead on the money with your character analysis of these so-called “conservatives” like Raymond Otton who have real serious control fetish, thinking themselves the censors and editors of what the rest of us can think and express.
Ray Otton says
“What’s not silly, but rather disgusting………
We speak for the humans who have no voice. Do not attempt to use a claim of “morals” when you advocate mass genocide. It’s a bad look.
“According with some articles 50-100 million people have been killed in the name of Christianity…………..”
Now do communism. Makes Christianity look like a bunch of amateurs.
BTW, I’m agnostic. I have no idea if there’s something after this life or not but the basic concepts of religion are positive, not negative.
“It’s interesting how conservatives are all for liberty………….”
Your view of conservatives is severely warped. ‘m not sure it’s worth continuing but I will point out that the vast majority of anti-freedom concepts are all born out of Leftist ideology.
Slavery? Democrats
KKK? Democrats
Jim Crow? Democrats
Opposing Voter ID laws? Democrats
Boys be girls, girls be boys? Democrats
Heathcare as a right? Democrats
Abortion as a right? Democrats
Ban guns? Democrats
Restrict free speech? Democrats
Tax the rich? Democrats
Jail political opponents? Democrats
Violence as a means to dominate? Democrats
The list goes on, blaming everything on capitalism, global warming, white people, police officers, Christians, America’s founders, guns and conservatives.
Sadly, you can’t can’t help it. Your mind sees the world through the prism of pity, sorrow, neediness, misfortune, poverty, suspicion, mistrust, anger, exploitation, discrimination, victimization, alienation and injustice.
You view people as “poor, weak, sick, wronged, cheated, oppressed, disenfranchised and exploited and you use those negative feelings to place mistrust in fine people who believe in:
The U.S. Constitution and the freedoms it defines.
Law and order.
Equal rights and equal opportunity but not equal outcomes.
Personal responsibility and hard work.
I also must express my disappointment. I thought we were keeping it civil. Your claim that I am “disgusting” for being pro-life indicates you have no intention of sticking to our truce.
Sorin Varzaru says
“I also must express my disappointment. I thought we were keeping it civil. Your claim that I am “disgusting” for being pro-life indicates you have no intention of sticking to our truce.”
I apologize, my frustrations got the best of me.
I also should stick with single point arguments to simplify the dialog, as I am not generally inclined to write long essays.
So, in that spirit, please explain to me how “healthcare as a right” is bad? US is the only industrialized country that doesn’t take care of the health of it’s citizens ( while paying twice as much per capita then the next country)?
Stuart Bell says
Put White Folks on an Island, you get England.
Put Oriental Folks on an Island, you get Japan.
Put Negroes on an Island, you get Haiti.
Simply put, Life is an IQ test.
Paul Plante says
And the English aren’t too bright which is why we are no longer a British colony.
They used to have an empire, and now all they have is the rock in the ocean they are confined to.
Sorin Varzaru says
I often wonder, what causes people to become white supremacists? Was it the way you have been brought up? Is it genetic? Stroke? Just general evilness?
Since we are talking about home schooling, this would be an argument against it. Even kids of racist assholes, when exposed to a more inclusive environment, they have a chance to not turn out racists. Maybe not a big chance, but some.
G. Upsher says
You have a log in your eye.
Sorin Varzaru says
>You have a log in your eye.
You got one in your brain.
Paul Plante says
No, Sorin came from a third-world ****hole of a country full of white supremacists and he never learned how to use the computer to research these question to find answers on his own instead of asking us to explain the actions of a literal small fraction of the people in America, many of whom, like these RACIST MS-13 thugs are brought into this county by the goody-goodies who think we owe them something because they are racist thugs.
Thomas Sowell says
Racism is an attitude that takes place in one’s head.
Discrimination is an overt act taking place in the real world.
The vast majority of people that are accused of being a racist, have no earthly way of accually discriminating against anyoneone, besides you cannot tell another what to like or dislike, love or hate, embrace or ostracize. Only a fool would try.
Sorin Varzaru says
Not worrying about racism because most people can’t … perform discrimination is shortsighted at best. Racists can vote, and they do.
So anything that reduces the number of racists is a good thing in my mind.
Paul Plante says
Sorin, if bad breath in dogs could be finally eradicated, it would be a damn good thing for the world!
This whole discussion is gone totally stupid.
What are we going to have now – some new federal government commission with broad, sweeping powers to root out and eliminate racism by altering the minds of those so afflicted, according to the commission.
Sounds Stalin-esque to me.
And why Sorin, is BLACK SUPREMACY okay with you?
Sorin Varzaru says
“What are we going to have now – some new federal government commission with broad, sweeping powers to root out and eliminate racism by altering the minds of those so afflicted, according to the commission.
Sounds Stalin-esque to me.
And why Sorin, is BLACK SUPREMACY okay with you?”
Focus Paul. I know it’s hard. What I said was “send kids to school. exposure to diversity decreases the chance of kids turning racist like their parents”
Paul Plante says
How do you know who is a racist, Sorin, given there can be no such thing, given there is only one human race?
And if there can’t be such a thing as a racist, a long-since discredited theory attributed to the Nazis and other right-wing groups in Europe who adhered to their policies, like the Iron Guard and Legion of Michael the Archangel in Rumania, why a hundred years later are you still spouting that discredited Nazi crap that there is a master race, the UBERMENSCH, and a race of lesser beings, the UNTERMENSCH?
Paul Plante says
East Bay Times
“Albany High School racist incidents bring call for unity and healing”
By KARINA IOFFEE and MALAIKA FRALEY |
PUBLISHED: March 31, 2017 at 9:22 a.m. | UPDATED: April 3, 2017 at 10:30 a.m.
ALBANY — After several racist incidents at Albany High School, including Nazi salutes by some students and negative social media posts by students, the school scrambled to show it would not tolerate hatred even as it remains unclear whether the students involved in the alleged incidents will be expelled.
At a Friday afternoon rally organized by the Albany High Black Student Union, students and teachers took turns speaking, expressing outrage at the incidents but also asking for empathy and healing.
“We are united … and that means Jewish people, gay people, Latino people … and we will only stand for unity,” said Julia Greensfelder, a senior at the Albany High School and a student member of the Albany Unified school board.
Billie Dempsey, senior pastor of Higher Ground Church of Oakland, called for healing and peace in a rousing speech that reminded students that everyone had, at times, made poor decisions.
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NYU Wagner Review
“Let’s Talk about Segregation at Albany High School”
Feature,Op Ed | 04/06/2018
By Lianna Brenner
Sixty-three years since Brown v. Board of Ed.and controversy over school segregation continue to play out in federal courts and local school districts across the country. While disturbing statistics and stories of veiled resegregation efforts dominate media attention, however, another facet of educational segregation is often overlooked: the “school within a school” problem.
Take Albany High School, for example. I graduated from Albany High with the qualifications to attend an Ivy League college, while over fifty percent of my class failed to graduate on time, or at all. Unsurprisingly, these differences in outcomes broke down by race and class: my peers in honors and AP classes were, like me, primarily white and middle-class, while the majority of students in Regents-level classes or below was black and low-income. We interacted–minimally–in our mandatory, unleveled gym classes, and we might brush elbows in the hallway at lockers that were assigned alphabetically, but otherwise we led very segregated academic lives.
The “school within a school” phenomenon is not unique to Albany High, of course. Small urban school districts, where one public high school serves the entire city, tend to look diverse on paper, with students from all neighborhoods and, consequently, all racial and socioeconomic backgrounds, learning under the same roof. But as my experience shows, just being in the same building isn’t enough. Administrators and educators must take on a more active role to truly integrate their student bodies.
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U.S. Attorneys » Eastern District of New York
Department of Justice
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
Wednesday, July 15, 2020
MS-13 Gang Members Indicted for Six Murders on Long Island
Eight Defendants, including Leaders of the Hollywood and Sailors Cliques of MS-13, Charged with Racketeering Offenses including Murders, Attempted Murders, Assaults, Kidnapping Conspiracy and Narcotics Trafficking
A 24-count indictment was unsealed yesterday in federal court in Central Islip charging eight members of the violent transnational criminal organization La Mara Salvatrucha, also known as the “MS-13,” with multiple racketeering offenses in connection with six murders, two attempted murders, a kidnapping conspiracy and narcotics trafficking conspiracies, as well as related charges including assault in aid of racketeering and firearms offenses. The defendants Carlos Alfaro, Jose Moises Blanco, Oseas Gonzalez, Jose Jonathan Guevara-Castro, Victor Lopez-Morales, Ever Morales-Lopez, David Sosa-Guevara and Kevin Torres allegedly are members of one of two subgroups or “cliques” of the MS-13 operating on Long Island: the Hollywood Locos Salvatruchas (“Hollywood”) clique and the Sailors Locos Salvatruchas Westside (“Sailors”) clique. Sosa-Guevara and Torres allegedly were the New York leaders of the Hollywood and Sailors cliques, respectively, and were in direct communication with high-ranking MS-13 leaders in El Salvador.
Blanco and Gonzalez were arrested yesterday morning in Salisbury and Charlotte, North Carolina, respectively, appeared in the United States District Court for the Western District of North Carolina and were both detained. Blanco and Gonzalez will be transferred to the Eastern District of New York and arraigned at a later date before United States Circuit Judge Joseph F. Bianco. Alfaro, Lopez-Morales, Morales-Lopez and Sosa-Guevara, who are in state custody, and Torres, who is in federal custody, will also be arraigned at a later date before Circuit Judge Bianco. Guevara-Castro remains at large.
Two additional MS-13 members, both of whom were juveniles at the time they allegedly committed the crimes, have separately been charged with racketeering offenses and several murders. By statute, those cases remains under seal at this time.
Attorney General William P. Barr; Seth D. DuCharme, Acting United States Attorney for the Eastern District of New York; William F. Sweeney, Jr., Assistant Director-in-Charge, Federal Bureau of Investigation, New York Field Office (FBI); Ray Donovan, Special Agent-in-Charge, Drug Enforcement Administration, New York Division (DEA); Madeline Singas, District Attorney, Nassau County District Attorney’s Office (NCDAO); and Patrick J. Ryder, Commissioner, Nassau County Police Department (NCPD), announced the arrests and indictment.
“In 2017, the President directed the Department of Justice to go to war against MS-13, and we did just that,” said Attorney General Barr. “In coordination with our partners at the Department of Homeland Security, the Justice Department’s law enforcement components have successfully investigated, charged, and arrested command and control elements of MS-13 responsible for murder. Joint Task Force Vulcan’s operations have significantly degraded MS-13’s capabilities. While there is still work to be done, the Department of Justice remains committed to protecting Americans threatened by MS-13, and we will not rest until we have successfully defeated this transnational criminal organization.”
“As alleged, the defendants committed multiple murders and other violent and wanton crimes on Long Island to further MS-13’s vicious code,” stated Acting United States Attorney DuCharme. “Victims were hacked with machetes, one shot numerous times and another decapitated. This Office, working tirelessly with our local and federal law enforcement partners, will not rest until violent gangs are eradicated from the communities they have terrorized.” Mr. DuCharme expressed his grateful appreciation to all the members of the FBI’s Long Island Gang Task Force, the DEA, the NCPD and the NCDAO, as well as to the members of the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE), Homeland Security Investigations (HSI), the Suffolk County Police Department (SCPD), the FBI’s Charlotte Safe Streets Task Force, and the United States Attorneys’ Offices for the Western District of North Carolina, the Middle District of North Carolina, and the Eastern District of Virginia, for their outstanding assistance and partnership in this case.
“Putting these men in a federal prison for the rest of their lives, or facing possible death sentences, may not mean much to them as members of MS-13 because it fits their macho bravado,” stated FBI Assistant Director-in-Charge Sweeney. “But it means a tremendous amount of relief to the communities on Long Island they’ve terrorized by using machetes to murder teenagers. Our work over the last few years on the FBI Long Island Gang Task Force illustrates how vitally important it is to partner with those communities, gain their trust, and doggedly investigate these deplorable crimes. We’ve seen a vast improvement, but I want the community to know we’re not going anywhere, our work is not done. If we can keep the lines of communication open, we can stop the violence before it turns deadly. Reach out and know we’re here to help.”
“This investigation outlines the strategy used to kidnap, assault and murder six individuals by alleged members of MS-13. Each act is distinctive, but all are clear examples of the charged extreme violence and savagery of the defendants. I commend our law enforcement partners for their diligent and meaningful work,” stated DEA Special Agent-in-Charge Donovan.
“This indictment strikes yet another heavy blow to MS-13 and will further dismantle the brutal gang that terrorized so many communities,” stated District Attorney Singas. “Thanks to the relentless and collaborative efforts of law enforcement at the federal, state, and local levels MS-13 is on the run, gang violence is down, and our communities are safer. I commend the US Attorney’s Office, the FBI, DEA and NCPD for their outstanding work bringing this case.”
“This indictment is another step forward in eradicating the vicious MS-13 gangs from our communities which ultimately ensures the safety of our neighborhoods and residents. The six victims of gruesome murders are a stark reminder that we must continue our enforcement of all illegal gangs and never stop pursuing justice. I congratulate all of the investigators and their respective agencies for their hard work and dedication, who continue to work together to bring an end to this violence,” stated NCPD Commissioner Ryder.
As detailed in the indictment and in the government’s detention letter, in 2016 and 2017 the Sailors and Hollywood cliques of the MS-13 gang, both of whom had a significant presence in the Roosevelt and Freeport areas of Nassau County, collaborated in the criminal activities on behalf of the MS-13, including the murders of suspected rival gang members.
Murder of Oscar Acosta
Torres is charged in connection with his leadership role in the murder of 19-year- old Oscar Acosta, who was suspected of associating himself with the MS-13’s principal rival on Long Island, the 18th Street gang. Torres allegedly ordered a “greenlight,” or authorization, to kill Acosta and assigned specific roles for other Sailors to the plan and carry out the murder. On April 29, 2016, those MS-13 members lured Acosta to a wooded area near an elementary school in Brentwood. Once there, they brutally beat Acosta with tree limbs, knocking him unconscious. They then bound Acosta’s hands and feet, and coordinating with the local Sailors clique leader in Brentwood, moved Acosta to a more secluded area near an abandoned psychiatric hospital. They carried him into the woods behind a warehouse and stabbed and slashed him to death with a machete. The MS-13 members then buried Acosta’s body in a shallow grave, which was discovered in September 2016.
Murder of Kerin Pineda
The indictment charges Gonzalez, Guevara-Castro, Lopez-Morales, Morales-Lopez, Sosa-Guevara and Torres with the murder of 20-year-old Kerin Pineda, who was believed to be a member of the rival 18th Street gang. Torres allegedly ordered the “greenlight” for Pineda, marking him for death. Members of the Sailors clique coordinated with members of the Hollywood clique and devised the plan. On May 21, 2016, MS-13 members, armed with machetes, lured Pineda to a secluded wooded area near the Merrick-Freeport border. Torres, Lopez-Morales and Sosa-Guevara allegedly acted as lookouts for police and stayed in contact with the MS-13 members in the woods while they waited for Pineda. When Pineda arrived, he was surrounded and violently attacked by the MS-13 members, including both charged juveniles, who each took turns hacking and slashing him with their machetes. Pineda’s corpse was buried in a hole that had been dug the day before. Before leaving the scene, the MS-13 members contacted the lookouts who advised them that they could safely leave.
Murder of Josue Amaya-Leonor
Hollywood clique members Alfaro, Blanco, Gonzalez and Lopez-Morales are charged in connection with their roles in the murder of 19-year-old Josue Amaya-Leonor on September 4, 2016 because of his perceived association with the 18th Street gang. Amaya-Leonor was lured to a secluded wooded area deep into the Roosevelt Preserve to smoke marijuana. Once there, he was allegedly surrounded by the machete-wielding MS-13 members – including one of the charged juveniles – struck repeatedly and killed. The MS-13 members dug a hole and buried Amaya-Leonor’s body, which was not found until May 2018.
Murder of Javier Castillo
Torres is charged for his role in authorizing the murder of 15-year-old Javier Castillo on October 10, 2016 for his perceived association with the 18th Street gang. Members of the Sailors clique in Brentwood convinced Castillo, who lived in Central Islip, to go with them to Cow Meadow Park, a secluded area in Freeport, to smoke marijuana. Once there, the MS-13 members, including one of the charged juveniles, allegedly attacked and killed Castillo, each taking turns hacking him with a machete. Torres also served as the lookout for police in the area during the murder. The MS-13 members dug a hole and buried Castillo’s body, which was not discovered until October 2017.
Murder of Carlos Ventura-Zelaya
Alfaro is charged with the October 14, 2016 murder of 24-year-old Carlos Ventura-Zelaya in Roosevelt. Ventura-Zelaya had been marked for death by the MS-13 because of his suspected membership in the rival 18th Street gang. On the night of the murder, Alfaro and other MS-13 members spotted Ventura-Zelaya on the street in Roosevelt. Alfaro, armed with a 9mm handgun, got out of the car, approached Ventura-Zelaya, and allegedly fired all nine rounds from the gun, striking and killing Ventura-Zelaya.
Murder of Angel Soler
The racketeering charges against Hollywood clique members Lopez-Morales and Sosa-Guevara include the July 21, 2017 murder of 15-year-old Angel Soler and an August 2017 conspiracy to kidnap a victim identified in the indictment as John Doe #3. Soler was a suspected 18th Street gang member, and Sosa-Guevara allegedly ordered his murder. Lopez-Morales and other MS-13 members allegedly carried out the murder, luring Soler to wooded lot near Milburn Creek in Roosevelt to smoke marijuana. The group attacked Soler with machetes and a pickaxe, and buried his body in a shallow grave. The following day, MS-13 members went back to lay cement over Soler’s body to better conceal it.
Kidnapping Conspiracy
Just weeks after the Soler murder, Lopez-Morales and Sosa-Guevara allegedly planned the kidnapping, assault, and/or murder of John Doe #3, an MS-13 member who had violated the rules of the gang. Specifically, Sosa-Guevara instructed Lopez-Morales and two other MS-13 members to kidnap John Doe #3 and wait for further guidance from MS-13 leadership to kill or brutally assault him. On August 6, 2017, Lopez-Morales and the other gang members’ plan to kidnap John Doe #3 was foiled by law enforcement, who had been intercepting the calls arranging the attack, and Lopez-Morales was taken into custody.
Attack on Suspected Rivals
The indictment charges Hollywood clique members Alfaro and Gonzalez with attacking a group of males who had gathered in front of a house in Brentwood on July 18, 2016. That night, the MS-13 members allegedly agreed to drive around the area “hunting” for rival gang members to kill. Four of the gang members, including Alfaro, were selected to participate, armed with two handguns and a machete. While driving around Brentwood that night, the MS-13 members spotted a group of males whom they believed were members of the rival Bloods street gang. Alfaro and two other MS-13 members concealed their faces with bandanas, ran over to the group and attacked them. One victim, identified in the indictment as John Doe #1, was shot in the leg. Another victim, identified in the indictment as John Doe #2, was shot and slashed in the head, face and arms. John Doe #2 sustained disfiguring injuries, but survived the attack.
Cocaine and Marijuana Distribution
The indictment charges various members of the Sailors clique with conspiring to distribute cocaine and marijuana, and members of the Hollywood clique with conspiring to distribute marijuana, stemming from the MS-13 cliques’ alleged street-level sales of cocaine and marijuana on Long Island, the proceeds of which were used to help finance the MS-13’s criminal operations.
Additionally, during the execution of court-authorized search and seizure warrants at the North Carolina residences of both Blanco and Gonzalez yesterday, law enforcement agents and officers recovered additional evidence, including machetes, firearms, ammunition, narcotics, and MS-13 related paraphernalia.
The charges in the indictment are allegations, and the defendants are presumed innocent unless and until proven guilty. If convicted, each defendant faces up to life in prison, and is eligible for the death penalty.
In August 2019, Attorney General Barr created Joint Task Force Vulcan to carry out the recommendations of the MS-13 subcommittee formed under the Attorney General’s Transnational Organized Crime Task Force, which was the result of President Trump’s February 2017 Executive Order directing the Departments of Justice, State, and Homeland Security, and the Office of the Director of National Intelligence to coordinate a whole-of-government approach to dismantle transnational criminal organizations, such as MS-13, and restore safety for the American people. The principle purpose of JTFV is to coordinate and lead the efforts of the Justice Department and U.S. law enforcement agencies against MS-13 in order to dismantle the group.
This indictment is the latest in a series of federal prosecutions by the United States Attorney’s Office for the Eastern District of New York targeting members of the MS-13, a violent transnational criminal organization. The MS-13’s leadership is based in El Salvador and Honduras, but the gang has thousands of members across the United States, comprised primarily of immigrants from Central America. With numerous branches, or “cliques,” the MS-13 is the largest and most violent street gang on Long Island. Since 2003, hundreds of MS-13 members, including dozens of clique leaders, have been convicted on federal felony charges in the Eastern District of New York. A majority of those MS-13 members have been convicted on federal racketeering charges for participating in murders, attempted murders and assaults. Since 2010, this Office has obtained indictments charging MS-13 members with carrying out more than 55 murders in the Eastern District of New York, and has convicted dozens of MS-13 leaders and members in connection with those murders. These prosecutions are the product of investigations led by the FBI’s Long Island Gang Task Force, comprising agents and officers of the FBI, the NCPD, the SCPD, the Nassau County Sheriff’s Department, the Suffolk County Sheriff’s Department, the Suffolk County Probation Office, the New York State Police, the Hempstead Police Department, the Rockville Centre Police Department and the New York State Department of Corrections and Community Supervision.
The government’s case is being handled by the Office’s Long Island Criminal Division. Assistant United States Attorneys Paul G. Scotti, Justina L. Geraci and Megan E. Farrell are in charge of the prosecution, with assistance from Assistant District Attorney Jared Rosenblatt of the Nassau County District Attorney’s Office.
Ray Otton says
1 – “I am just curious, since you think fetuses are people, how would you respond to this”
Where in my post did I say fetuses were people?
You may not realize it but you have a penchant for putting words in my mouth. Well, actually you do it to all conservatives here whether its about racism, gun control or abortion.
Please, stop it.
2 – “If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can’t deport the mother because she’s carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6 week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we’re going here we should go all in.”
The author is conflating legal rights, conferred by the government and natural rights, which are ours by our nature.
She is attempting to score rhetorical points arguing that if we consider the unborn fully human, then it follows that we must do all those things she lists.
This is silly.
We grant legal rights as people reach age milestones.
We don’t struggle with the fact that eight year olds can’t drive, 13 year olds can’t marry, 17 year olds can’t purchase alcohol and 21 year olds can’t run for President of the United States.
Once you understand the difference between the two types of rights, her list becomes blatantly ludicrous.
BTW, a tip for you.
It is a good rule not to treat Twitter memes as serious arguments.
Publius Americanus says
Beats me, tell me why your Country of origin has been supremacy’ing against the Tsigon for centuries?
Ya know, the beatings, the murders, the disappearing, the legal discrimination……for longer than America has been around?
Or ya gonna flat out lie about the treatment of gypsies in Romania?
Sorin Varzaru says
“Beats me, tell me why your Country of origin has been supremacy’ ing against the Tsigon for centuries?
Ya know, the beatings, the murders, the disappearing, the legal discrimination……for longer than America has been around? Or ya gonna flat out lie about the treatment of gypsies in Romania?”
Yes, same thing. We have the exact same problem with racism in Romania as we have here in US. The Roma people are a lot less integrated in society then minorities in US are, so a lot of romanians don’t want to be anywhere near Roma people for fear to be victimized. As a result, Roma people don’t integrate in society and the vicious circle keeps spinning.
Ray Otton says
“Because it is impossible to have a rational discussion with someone who is not rational”.
Careful there, dude. Someone might bring up the fact that you claim to be more than one person.
Question.
What is your sweater size? I ask because straight jackets tend to run a little on the small size.
Paul Plante says
EXHIBIT A:
Stuart Bell says @ JUNE 15, 2021 AT 11:49 AM
5 or so years ago he had the nerve to accost me.
So I did some research online.
If you google his name with Viet Nam Vet, Disabled, New York…you will see him.
The sites showed a simularity of interest he has in New York State politics.
In any event, I have defended him as he is a Vet, but let us face facts.
He is not ‘right’, a few bricks shy of a load, his elevator does not go all the way to the top, ect.
So I was told one time that humans can stand to be ignored.
Try it.
I have used it in the workplace many times.
They will bend over and do cartwheels to get you to pay attention to them.
He is no different.
Humans are’t that bright as it is, look at how they are worshiping colored folks and dogs, these days.
EXHIBIT B:
Paul Plante says @ JUNE 15, 2021 AT 6:02 PM
Yes, everybody, Stuart believes that some 5 or so years ago I had the nerve to accost him in the parking lot of the Food Lion, even though I have never been in the parking lot of the Food Lion, ever, and apparently, after Stuart got up from where he was sprawled out on the pavement by a good set of well-thrown punches by a disabled veteran he was mocking, so he did some research online by googling mys name with Viet Nam Vet, Disabled, New York … and what you will see is as follows:
NEWSDAY
New York VA center one of slowest to process veterans …https://www.newsday.com › News › Health
Apr 29, 2013 — The New York-area center that processes veterans’ disability claims is … Vietnam War veteran Paul Plante of Huntington poses for a portrait at ..
https://www.newsday.com/news/health/new-york-va-center-one-of-slowest-to-process-veterans-claims-1.5165026
That’s the guy who knocked Stuart on his *** in the Food Lion parking lot for mocking him, and apparently he has the same name as me, so Stuart thinks that it was me who dropped him on his *** in the Food Lion parking lot, which is a case of me taking false credit for something I didn’t do.
But my hat is off to that other Paul Plante for doing what had to be done to teach Stuart Bell a much-needed lesson about getting lippy and mocking disabled veterans, because they are disabled.
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CONCLUSION: Paul Plante does not really exist and is nothing more than a computer spoof concocted by programming genius Stuart Bell to **** with Raymond Otton’s mind.
Given I no longer exist, which is fine with me, hopefully Raymond Otton, whose paranoia grows and grows on a daily basis, will finally leave me alone, because you can’t harass someone who doesn’t exist except as a computer spoof on Raymond Otton.
Ray Otton says
Well this is good news.
The housing market is way up. I can now sell my house and live rent free in the maniac’s head.
Paul Plante says
You’ve been there already for years, Raymond, and you didn’t have to leave home to get there, because like the turtle, you carry your “home” with you wherever you go.
And seriously, Raymond, you ought to get a new ghost writer for yourself.
This horse**** that you peddle is becoming quite stale.
On another note, however, all the ethologists I know are fascinated by you and your various postings as an AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE, how you are able to take facts and warp and twist them all out of shape to construct your narratives of you as as victim.
It makes for a fascinating study, indeed, for which we are all grateful to the Cape Charles Mirror, which is a very powerful on-line learning tool for homeschooling older Americans who may not have had prior experience with a CONSERVATIVE, and hence, do not know how cunning and devious is the breed.
So this is a real public service you are providing to the TWO MILLION people who come by here each day to see what your next outlandish statements are going to be, as a way to educate themselves as to the true menace CONSERVATIVES with IQ’s of 12.3 and handguns in their cargo pants pockets are to orderly and civilized society in the United States of America!
CC Progressive says
Spring by your calculations then half of the teachers are morons and only have jobs because they support the Teachers Union who seek mediocrity not excellence. I agree with you my Progressive friend.
Sorin Varzaru says
Nope.
Maybe the Teachers union seeks mediocrity. That is still better then the bottom of the barrel.
Ray Otton says
I’m going to put my answer here because it’s getting a bit confusing in this forum layout.
“I apologize, my frustrations got the best of me.”
No problem, I understand.
Hanging out in a forum with a vicious troll can be nerve racking at times. Best we all get together, no matter our political beliefs and decide to let him wither on the vine by not responding to his attacks.
“So, in that spirit, please explain to me how “healthcare as a right” is bad? US is the only industrialized country that doesn’t take care of the health of it’s citizens ”
I wasn’t looking to debate healthcare, instead using it as an example of a right that is granted by the government vs an inalienable right as defined by the Constitution.
This is the Conservative’s complaint with Liberals. You see heathcare and abortion as inalienable rights, though they are GRANTED by the government, while attempting to limit the 1st and 2nd amendments which inalienable and yours simply by being a human.
As we’ve seen in the past and may see again with Roe v Wade, if the government grants it, the government can delete it.
FWIW, I’m not against improving our healthcare system but, if you’ve been following along with the daily ineptitudes of government bureaucrats, involving MORE government is not the way to do it. That definitely falls into the category of Einstein’s saying “Insanity is doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.”
Sorin Varzaru says
“I wasn’t looking to debate healthcare, instead using it as an example of a right that is granted by the government vs an inalienable right as defined by the Constitution. This is the Conservative’s complaint with Liberals. You see heathcare and abortion as inalienable rights, though they are GRANTED by the government, while attempting to limit the 1st and 2nd amendments which inalienable and yours simply by being a human.”
OK, I see what you meant though I see the distinction without merit. Especially in the the case of Roe vs. Wade. The supreme court is the only entity who’s opinion on what the constitution means counts. And After Row/Wade, the right to have an abortion IS just as much of a right as 2nd or 1st or any amendment is. But the government IS the entity that gives or recognizes the rights we have. By definition. The government can amend the constitution, alter it, change it altogether and it’s the only one that can. So, not sure why do you make the distinction you do.
“FWIW, I’m not against improving our healthcare system but, if you’ve been following along with the daily ineptitudes of government bureaucrats, involving MORE government is not the way to do it. That definitely falls into the category of Einstein’s saying “Insanity is doing the same things over and over again, expecting different results.”
While I share some of your mistrust in the competency of governments, there are many models of “universal healthcare” out there, where the government has various degrees of involvement in the process, but as far as I am concerned, ANY of those offer better healthcare to their citizens, at lower cost per capita then the system we have here. No system is perfect of course and in any system you can easily point out the shortcomings, but by any statistics I could find, countries where “healthcare is a right” have healthier populations at lower cost.
So, it seems that that model, DESPITE the usual incompetency of governments, does work better then the patchwork of systems we have here.
Ray Otton says
1 – “The government IS the entity that gives or recognizes the rights we have.”
No, no, no, no, no, no………NO.
This is the fundamental problem a lot of people have, probably due to a poor civics education.
The government does not grant us the rights defined in the Constitution. In fact, the Constitution doesn’t give us those rights either.
Those are your God given or natural rights bestowed on you simply by being a human being.
OTOH, the rights granted by the SC can be taken away with a different SC.
That……….is……….the………..difference.
2 – “The government can amend the constitution, alter it, change it altogether and it’s the only one that can.”
I don’t mean to sound pedantic here but this is important. The GOVERNMENT does not alter the Constitution, the PEOPLE amend it through a well defined process. And a difficult process at that, which is exactly what the Fathers wanted.
The Declaration of Independence, the Constitution, and the Bill of Rights are based on the idea that all people have certain fundamental rights that governments are created to PROTECT not grant.
Those rights include common law rights and natural rights which are unalienable, meaning they cannot be surrendered to government under any circumstances.
So, as I said, Obamacare and Roe v Wade could disappear in an instance if the SC decided such.
OTOH, any of the Bill of Rights would need to go through a very laborious process to be repealed by another amendment.
Sorin Varzaru says
“The government does not grant us the rights defined in the Constitution. In fact, the Constitution doesn’t give us those rights either. Those are your God given or natural rights bestowed on you simply by being a human being.”
While I agree that we have “natural rights”, the problem is that unless those are codified, they have no legal power. For instance, I believe that we have an unalienable right to our own body, which would allow women to decide 100% what they can do with their body, including aborting a fetus. But you don’t agree that is a right they have. So, in order for the society to function, a body (of government presumably) needs to write down what are in fact our rights. And I guess then we need another body to interpret those rights, which gives us the SC. And anther body to amend those rights when needed, and so on.
Ultimately, in democracies, indirectly, the current prevailing morals of the society in general tend to dictate what are the rights of the citizens. The constitution is re-written, amended , re-interpreted to meet the evolving views of the society. So, in a democracy, it’s not really the “government” that gives or takes rights away. The “government” does what they think the voters would reward them for with keeping them in power. In the case of the SC, that’s not true, obviously, but there are mechanisms to alter the SC if a supermajority of voters wants something (pack it, for instance).
So, in closing, I don’t see the point of talking about “natural rights”.
Ray Otton says
“So, in closing, I don’t see the point of talking about “natural rights”.
And that’s the great divide.
You think of the Constitution and supporting documents as “living”, able to be molded to fit the prevailing narrative.
We think of the Constitution as an anchor, holding fast AGAINST prevailing narratives.
It gets back to the difference between the Conservative mind and the Liberal mind. Test after test, poll after poll point to Liberals as emotion driven and Conservatives data driven.
Personally, I don’t want MY rights defines by emotion.
Sorin Varzaru says
“You think of the Constitution and supporting documents as “living”, able to be molded to fit the prevailing narrative. We think of the Constitution as an anchor, holding fast AGAINST prevailing narratives.”
Wasn’t that designed like that from the beginning? The whole thing about amendments? And a Supreme Court to settle any interpretation issues? But you are correct, I don’t really care what some dudes 200 years ago thought my rights should be. The same dudes that counted black folks as 3/5s of a person. So, yes, I hope that as the world learns from it’s past mistakes, it fixes them.
Paul Plante says
Sorin, you are so nice, it is incredible just how nice you are, say, compared to somebody else who is not nearly as nice as you, and because you are so nice, you are highly likeable, but with regard to American history, you are as ignorant as all get-out, having got all of you7r history lessons from the Cliff Notes to Howard Zinn’s perverted history of America for liberals and PROGRESSIVES who hate America, which makes you quite tedious at times, such as with this “3/5’s Compromise,” which was a compromise agreement between delegates from the Northern and the Southern states at the United States Constitutional Convention (1787) that three-fifths of the slave population would be counted for determining direct taxation and representation in the House of Representatives, which actually served the interests of the DEMOCRAT slave owners down South by giving them more representation in the House of Representatives, a corrupt body from the get-go, than they would otherwise have been entitled to.
How come you don’t know this basic stuff?
How on earth did you ever gain citizenship being so ******* ignorant of our history?
Consider the political essay “Brutus III” by Brutus on November 15, 1787 on that subject of the 3/5’s compromise:”
“In a free state.” says the celebrated Montesquieu, “every man who is supposed to be a free agent, ought to be concerned in his own government.”
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Do you think that applies to you?
Or do you see yourself as being exempt from that?
Getting back to the “Brutus III” essay, it continues as follows:
“Therefore the legislature should reside in the whole body of the people, or their representatives.”
But it has never been alledged that those who are not free agents, can, upon any rational principle, have any thing to do in government, either by themselves or others.
If they have no share in government. why is the number of members in the assembly, to be increased on their account?
Is it because in some of the states, a considerable part of the property of the inhabitants consists in a number of their fellow men, who are held in bondage, in defiance of every idea of benevolence, justice, and religion, and contrary to all the principles of liberty, which have been publickly avowed in the late glorious revolution?
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That right there should put paid to this silly liberal PROGRESSIVE notion you have that every single person in the United States of America at the time of this nation’s founding was a raving, flaming, white supremacist/white nationalist slave-owning A-HOLE trying to keep the BLACK MAN down,
Getting back to “Brutus III,” it continues, thusly:
If this be a just ground for representation, the horses in some of the states, and the oxen in others, ought to be represented — for a great share of property in some of them consists in these animals; and they have as much controul over their own actions, as these poor unhappy creatures, who are intended to be described in the above recited clause, by the words, “all other persons.”
By this mode of apportionment, the representatives of the different parts of the union, will be extremely unequal: in some of the southern states, the slaves are nearly equal in number to the free men; and for all these slaves, they will be entitled to a proportionate share in the legislature — this will give them an unreasonable weight in the government, which can derive no additional strength, protection, nor defence from the slaves, but the contrary.
Why then should they be represented?
What adds to the evil is, that these states are to be permitted to continue the inhuman traffic of importing slaves, until the year 1808 — and for every cargo of these unhappy people, which unfeeling. unprincipled, barbarous, and avaricious wretches, may tear from their country, friends and tender connections, and bring into those states, they are to be rewarded by having an increase of members in the general assembly.
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He is talking about the DEMOCRATS there, Sorin, your crowd.
That is how they came to have so much political power in this country to our detriment as a nation and as a people.
Paul Plante says
So, Sorin, you’re going back to believing Trump won the election, then?
Sorin Varzaru says
“So, Sorin, you’re going back to believing Trump won the election, then?”
I am almost tempted to say that, just to rattle your cage. But internet posts are forever and this would likely come bite me back. So, no. I am just being civil, despite Ray and I being 180 of each other on almost every topic. Except when it comes to you Paul. You created a bridge. You should be proud.
Paul Plante says
Pride goeth before as fall, Sorin!
So I leave being proud to others.
Someday when you are older, perhaps you will gain some appreciation of that reality.
And you would hardly “rattle my cage” by insisting as other do in here that Trump is really the president and is going to be reinstalled in office on August 6, 2021.
All it would do is make you out as one more of a plethora of morons and idiots in this country like the dude who brags in here of having an IQ of 12.3, and that would be on you, not me.
As to Trump, here is the moronic horse**** he is still sending out to his supporters:
From: “Donald J. Trump”
Date: June 18, 2021 at 5:50:42 PM PDT
Subject: Democrats are trying to gain control: what do YOU think?
Save America President Donald J. Trump
Friend,
I’ve been thinking…
The Fake News and their allies, the Democrats, have come after me with WITCH HUNT after WITCH HUNT with the hope of taking me down.
They’ve never won – not once – and yet it never ends.
You’re one of my BEST supporters, so I need to know:
DO YOU AGREE THE WITCH HUNTS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT MUST END?
YES
NO
Since I have been completely exonerated from the Mueller Witch Hunt, with a charge of NO COLLUSION, I have often wondered: if a fake investigation is illegally started based on information provided and paid for by the DNC and the Clinton campaign, shouldn’t they be held accountable?
Not to mention, tens of millions of taxpayer dollars were WASTED and YEARS were spent interfering with a presidential administration.
I fought the made-up HOAX strongly and effectively, and I won.
DO YOU AGREE THE WITCH HUNTS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT MUST END?
YES
NO
THEN the Left and their Fake News friends fabricated – out of thin air – the totally FAKE allegation that I obstructed justice.
Guess what?
I won that too.
Think of it, how can you obstruct justice when you are fighting a false and illegally submitted narrative?
DO YOU AGREE THE WITCH HUNTS AGAINST THE PRESIDENT MUST END?
YES
NO
Fear not Friend, the Radical Left, Country-destroying, ILLEGAL Witch Hunts will continue, and I will win those too!
Thank you,
President Donald J. Trump Signature Headshot
Donald J. Trump
45th President of the United States
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Written by someone with an IQ of 15 for his followers with IQ’s of 12.3.
Oh, and Sorin, enjoy your day and try to make the most of it that you can!
And don’t take any wooden nickels!
Ray Otton says
Who knows? Maybe we can return civility to our little corner of American society.
We can start by letting the maniac whither on the vine.
Paul Plante says
You are really something, Raymond!
Do you know that TWO MILLION people come here to the Cape Charles Mirror just to see how you will twist truth and facts the next time to fit your narrative of you being a victim in here who is persecuted past the point of you being able to bear it, which has you whining and sniveling to anybody you can get to listen to you about how very hard I have made it for you in here, deconstructing and unwrapping your BULL**** about Trump winning the election, BOO HOO HOO!
And it is interesting how similar your tactics of distortion of reality to those of the PROGRESSIVES!
Instead of addressing points, like the PROGRESSIVES, like AOC, especially, you have to be a CUJO-like attack dog calling people’s whose intellect scares the crap right out of you “maniacs,” as if you have the power to control the minds of the TWO MILLION people who come in here every day to see what you are going to come out with next and make them believe that horsecrap you’re peddling in factual or truthful, when it is neither.
BUT ….
Your voice should not be suppressed, Raymond, just because hate-filled vitriol is all you really have to offer anyone in here.
To the contrary, and here, again, hat’s off to the Cape Charles Mirror, you should be published so that your point of view is a part of the MARKETPLACE OF IDEAS that is the Cape Charles Mirror, which is why I call it the GRAND PALLADIUM OF LIBERTY.
I call it that precisely because it does publish your vitriol instead of being like FACEBOOK and suppressing it.
And speaking of FACEBOOK, it is interesting how you and Sorin are trying to turn the Cape Charles Mirror into another FACEBOOK, where you can do some male-bonding with each other, and then have a mutual hatred society between you, where the two of you spend your time trying to squirt streams of pure venom into the eyes, of those you both hate.
And to me, it is very fitting that this discussion of AMERICAN CIVICS is taking place in a thread on HOMESCHOOLING, which used to be how the majority of people learned to read and write and cypher back in the beginning of this country, and that included Abe Lincoln.
I don’t think anyone is ever too old to learn something new, outside of yourself, anyway, and to me, with regard to CIVICS and CITIZENSHIP for adults, there is no better teaching tool than the Cape Charles Mirror, precisely because this is the only place in America, outside of FACEBOOK, perhaps, where people can find you and Sorin and stay up to date on your male-bonding, which as a sociologist and ethologist, I find fascinating to observe.
Paul Plante says
An interesting comment, Sorin, about me bringing you and Raymond together as if this were a dating site for Conservative males who want to hook up with other Conservative males for some serious male bonding.
How is that working out for the two of you?
Ray Otton (or maybe Ramone) says
“An interesting comment, Sorin, about me bringing you and Raymond together as if this were a dating site for Conservative males who want to hook up with other Conservative males for some serious male bonding.
How is that working out for the two of you?”
Say Paul, homophobic much?
Ray Otton says
“You are really something, Raymond! Yakity, yak.yak.yak”
Then again –
“Tomorrow, and tomorrow, and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day,
To the last syllable of recorded time;
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life’s but a walking shadow, a poor player,
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage,
And then is heard no more……………….
It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing.”
Paul Plante says
For somebody who wants nothing to do with me, Raymond, which would make me very happy and content if you ever actually followed through and stopped with your ignorant, stupid, inane drivel, you sure do seem to want to keep coming back with yet more BULL****, right after you said you were done with me.
You have some serious issues, Raymond, that I do not want to be a part of of.
You are insulting and boorish, with no socially redeeming qualities to any of the drivel you post as if an IQ of 12.3 made you something special, which in your world, I suppose it does.
So for once in your miserable life, Raymond, please do what you said you were going to do, and **** off!
Ray Otton(IQ1230) says
“For somebody who wants nothing to do with me, Raymond, yakity, yak, yak, yak……..”
You can stop reading my brilliant responses to your inane drivel any time you want.
Paul Plante says
You’re straight out of the Clint Eastwood movie “PLAY MISTY FOR ME,” Raymond, except you are a male psychopath stalker as opposed to a female like Evelyn.
For those who don’t remember the movie, Clint Eastwood was a radio disc jockey who was being stalked by an obsessed female fan.
In this version, Raymond “ROTTON” Otton is the obsessed stalker, except he is not a fan – he is a virulent, pus-filled, ignorant hater, which is quite typical of the breed known as the American Conservative.
I have been on “social media” site now since 2001, and on each of them along comes a Raymond “ROTTON” Otton doing the same horsecrap this version of Raymond Otton is doing here, which is attacking posters he doesn’t like, because he lacks the intelligence to deal with the subject matter.
In this thread, his attacks are because I demonstrated with FACTS, which are things a CONSERVATIVE like Raymond can’t deal with, that to believe Donald Trump won the 2020 election, you have to be a real ******* moron, which is our Raymond.
Raymond got really flipped out because I thoroughly destroyed that ignorant BULL**** he was peddling about Trump winning the election.
And now we are seeing just how ignorant and vicious a CONSERVATIVE like Raymond Otton can really be.
And if one follows his drivel, one sees how a CONSERVATIVE like Raymond shamelessly twists and distorts the posts of those he is afraid of in here, because people like me are not afraid of Raymond, with his hob-nailed jack boots, and his buzz cut and mirror sunglasses, and his GUN that he carries at all times whenever he is outside, because Raymond at heart, is a COWARD.
And what kind of ******* A-HOLE comes on to a site like this with TWO MILLION viewers and openly brags about carrying his GUN to intimidate liberals with?
Anyone of the criminal nature who wants a gun, now knows where to get one, and that is to slap Raymond up alongside the head, and take his away from him, just like that – like taking candy from a baby!
Getting back to the PSYCHO STALKER from “Play Misty For Me,” all I can say is I am damn glad this PSYCHO STALKER in here named “Raymond “ROTTON” Otton has no real idea where I live, or like Evelyn, the PSYCHO in the movie, I might come home to find this whack-a-doodle-doo named Raymond in my house, slashing and vandalizing my possessions.
Bob says
We ( my wife an and I ) she with a Bachelors degree in nursing and I a retiree from a large school district on LI , found it extremely difficult having our grandson home during the virtual learning phase . He is autistic and oppositional defiant as well as turrets. He needs to be in an environment such as school so that he receives the full attention needed. Special Education is not something everyone can cope with . It takes a lot of patience, knowledge of the resources needed on a day to day basis.
I applaud those who can take on this every day 5 days a week.
School also provides a social atmosphere and he definitely needs that .
School
Is achieved in many different forms. Some do better in a home school environment others do not .
Trade schools are other options unfortunately they seem to have gotten over looked at least on LI .
The Arts meaning theatre , music , art are other areas where some find their place .
Options are the key.
Trader Joe says
2 – “If a fetus is a person at 6 weeks pregnant, is that when the child support starts? Is that also when you can’t deport the mother because she’s carrying a US citizen? Can I insure a 6 week fetus and collect if I miscarry? Just figuring if we’re going here we should go all in.”
Custodial Parents should have to account for every penny of support they recieve from the Non-Custodial Parents. Period. All they have been concerned with is dead-beat dads for the last 40 years.
Paul Plante says
Didn’t hear a word you said, Stuart.
And why don’t you come to Huntingdon, Long Island and tell me that to my face?
There is a private conversation I’d love to have with you.
HumanPuddin says
If you live in Huntingdon, Long Island why don’t you piss off these message boards so people can have discussions without wasting their lives away scrolling past your copy and paste obsession
Paul Plante says
You seem nice.
Paul Plante says
And Stuart Bell says I live in Huntingdon, so if you have a problem, take it up with him.
Thank you.
And did I say you seem nice?
But if you are having trouble scrolling past anything I post, it sounds like you are very weak so I would suggest you stop smoking and get with an exercise program pronto.
Pretty pathetic, actually, when people in America no longer have the physical strength to scroll down a page in the Cape Charles Mirror.
Paul Plante says
And HumanPuddin, dude, let me help you out here, because you do seem nice.
In the real world, the world that people who are sane and rational as opposed to delusional live in, there can’t be such a thing as a “copy and paste obsession,” precisely because “cutting and pasting,” or what you are calling “copy and paste,” is nothing more than a short-cut technique.
That’s it, HumanPuddin.
Nothing mysterious about it.
It goes back to before computers, when people had to do lay-out by hand for copying on a xerox.
When you were quoting something already written elsewhere, say a news clipping, you would cut it out and paste it to a sheet of paper that was part of your total package.
Or you would xerox a page or whatever out of a text book or reference book and then paste that into your manuscript.
People have been doing that for well over fifty years that I am aware of, and there is nothing of the obsession about it, if you are sane and rational, anyway.
And happy to help you out here, because I hate to see you looking so stupid, calling a technique an obsession.
Ray Otton says
Told ya.
Ray Otton says
HP, the best thing we can do for the CCM is boycott this vicious, demented bully.
Responding to him only leads to more vitriol.
Just watch.
Paul Plante says
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